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You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« on: January 19, 2010, 09:46:41 PM »
http://www.smfc.com.au/news/828/media-release-south-melbourne-fc-to-be-honoured-at-world-football-gala/


And just think a bunch of racists kicked out the greatest club of the Century from the national competition. I dont think FIFA will be impressed. I dont think FIFA will be impressed when they find out about the progrom organised by Australian soccer against ethnic founded clubs. The stage is set. And Australia can kiss the World Cup bid good bye. Theres going to be alot of behind the scenes discussions. So all I can say to the believers of the A League and the supporters of the FFA- UP YOURS!

We were treated like dogs, now its time for payback!

In the meantime, you should all bow to greatest club in Oceania history   :clapping

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2010, 09:51:55 PM »
Bowing now.
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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2010, 11:46:33 PM »
Gotta be careful bowing in front of you Greeks Ramps  :lol

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 05:19:54 PM »
I cant see any of the Victory boys bowing ...Aaaaaawwwww whats up fellas dont you like the fact that SMFC has got an award that your club will never get, not even in a 1000 years lol  :clapping

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 09:55:17 PM »
Victory got the free souvlaki award at Souvlaki Way outside Gate 1 at Etihad.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2010, 11:21:50 PM »
Ramps, I agree that Hellas was a great club with a very proud and successful history in the NSL but lets face it, a Hellas v Makedonia match would more often than not end in ugliness which did no good for the game. I know you go on about A league crowds not being as good as NSL crowds of the past but if you look a bit deeper you will see that the game has a much wider appeal and the number of kids taking up the game since the transition has been astronomical. The game now is also far more appealing to sponsors. The "Wog Ball" stigma is long gone and kids who would have normally taken up Rugby League or Aussie Rules now look at Soccer as genuine alternative.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2010, 11:54:55 PM »
Ramps, I agree that Hellas was a great club with a very proud and successful history in the NSL but lets face it, a Hellas v Makedonia match would more often than not end in ugliness which did no good for the game. I know you go on about A league crowds not being as good as NSL crowds of the past but if you look a bit deeper you will see that the game has a much wider appeal and the number of kids taking up the game since the transition has been astronomical. The game now is also far more appealing to sponsors. The "Wog Ball" stigma is long gone and kids who would have normally taken up Rugby League or Aussie Rules now look at Soccer as genuine alternative.

South Melbourne vs Preston is only a problem if the clubs are in the same league, where the clubs were seperated by leagues in the past there was no issue coz we didnt play one another. I think the new found supporters are great for the game but they have a club to support now and its the Victory. Who are the Hearts going to get for supporters? South Melbourne and Marconi should have been the 2nd sides in Melbourne and Sydney.  In effect in Melbourne it would have been South vs the rest ... and it would have created the biggest rivalry in the game without any shadow of doubt.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2010, 12:43:13 AM »
I think that the history of ethnic clubs in major Australian cities adds depth to the game. The problem here is that if you include a team which many people still consider a Greek team, you will get support from the Greek community, but nowhere else. I don't like the franchise model at all, but if they want one or two teams in the city and 20,000 people a week every week they need to be more inclusive. At the moment it looks like it is failing anyway, but I can understand what they were trying to do.

The real problem is that due to the costs involved, you need to be getting 20,000 a week to stay viable and grow the comp. This isn't helped by the fact that there really are no local derbies to make things interesting or to share the effort of getting people to games and marketing the game. The product is poor now and was poor when I watched the NSL. I'm done with paying to watch the A-League, it just isn't value for money. To get people to games you need to draw on the ethnic communities and the local derbies and the history, so the real problem is: how do you run a viable national competition with the number of people interested in soccer in the country and the tyranny of distance in this very large country.

I much prefer the old capital centric model. In an ideal world, I would have done something like this, 5 teams per major city.

e.g. for Brisbane

Brisbane Lions (Hollandia, western corridor out to Ipswich)
Brisbane Strikers or Rochedale Rovers (Southside if strikers would use Logan base)
Gold Coast Knights
Peninsula Power (Northside/Sunny coast)
Brisbane City (City centre/inner suburbs)

Suggestion for Melbourne (don't know the history or geography or who are the powerful teams at the moment)

South
Knights
Heidelberg
Team 4
Team 5

Sydney
Marconi
Sydney United
Olympic
Manly
Sutherland

Whatever, I'm just picking names out.

Then you play as follows - each team plays the teams in their city 4 times - 16 games and a total 32 local derbies per season.

Each team plays an away games in each other city - 5 games.
Each team plays a home game, hosting a team from each other city - 5 more games.

26 games and then at the end you have a finals series with the top teams from each city.

This way, crowds and interest are maximised by the number of local derbies.
Costs pertaining to travel minimized by the fact you are only traveling interstate 5 times/year.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2010, 12:51:53 AM »
PS one of the problems here is FIFA itself. Their constant demands on what is acceptable for entry into whatever club championship or for hosting the WC are unreasonable. You can't run a European style league in a country this size.

1. It costs lots for the teams to travel.
2. You get no away fans and a massive part of football is the atmosphere and interchange between home and away teams.

Look at the biggest countries in the world

1. Russia - football is no. 1 sport
2. Canada - no football league to speak of
3. Brazil - football crazy, but even they have a non-conventional league structure with Rio/Sao Paulo etc having their own championships for part of the year.
4. USA - MLS is poor and only survives because the US is the richest country in the world and sponsors have expendable capital. Hasnt really made any progress over the years.
5. Australia

There is no history of soccer being successful as no. 4/5 sport in a country the size of Australia.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2010, 09:29:01 AM »
Really interesting point Jake. Having an even mix of supporters at games would have a massive effect on crowd numbers and atmosphere. Rivalry is of such huge importance to any spectator sport. A national competition really kills this.
Whats the point if your team thrashes the opposition and there is nobody to wave goodbye to as they leave early during your gloating process. My In Laws have seasons tickets for the Paramatta Eels and they take me to quite a few games and the atmospheric difference between a Parramatta v Manly game and a Parramatta v Nth QLD Game are massive. Both crowds and atmosphere are well down for those interstate matches. I'm sure its the same comparison for Tigers v Carlton and Tigers v Freo. Can you imagine how the AFL would be affected if for some bizarre reason the decided to only have one or two teams per state?

Back on the kids in sport, after your post it made me think that sure there are more kids playing soccer but I bet if you asked them for their favorite football team more often than not they would say Tigers, Eels, Pies or Bronco's before Sydney FC, Melb Victory or Brisbane Roar.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 09:56:16 AM »
Back on the kids in sport, after your post it made me think that sure there are more kids playing soccer but I bet if you asked them for their favorite football team more often than not they would say Tigers, Eels, Pies or Bronco's before Sydney FC, Melb Victory or Brisbane Roar.

For sure tiga, but the AFL and NRL are better to watch and as a result better marketed.

I love soccer, but watching the standard of the A-League in empty stadiums is very boring.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2010, 12:12:30 PM »
South in the A league wouldnt play infront of empty stadiums

2 games vs the Victory would probably sell out the Telstra dome
5 or 6 home games at the new olympic park would probably get half full
and all the other games at a redeveloped Bob Jane would probably attract 12 to 14k which fills about 95% of the stadium.

Who are hearts going to get for supporters.

The strategy will be to suck up disenfranchised supporters of the old NSL, South and Knights- this wont happen in large numbers

They will also try to get disenfranchised Victory supporters- this is problematic, I cant see Victory supporters leaving there club

Then they will try the "feel sorry for me" angle, where they will ask Victory supporters to go there games for the betterment of the game HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

In the meantime every single one of them should bow to the Glory, the Greatness and the Success of FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century  :clapping

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 08:09:02 AM »
These kind of awards are hilarious. Like the joke that is the Club World Cup, FIFA getting carried away with the "World Game" title. How can you have a "club of the century" when these clubs in Australia  weren't formed till the 1950s, played in a now dead comp. that lasted just 27 years, and now play in lower state leagues  ???.

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2010, 04:58:34 PM »
These kind of awards are hilarious. Like the joke that is the Club World Cup, FIFA getting carried away with the "World Game" title. How can you have a "club of the century" when these clubs in Australia  weren't formed till the 1950s, played in a now dead comp. that lasted just 27 years, and now play in lower state leagues  ???.




Awwww dont be upset that your club will never win one of these awards  :lol Melbourne Victory is not and never will be in the class of South. We have won stuff that the clowns at the Victory can only dream about. Anyway, as I said, do  the right thing, be sensible and humble in defeat, bow to the glory and greatness of the greatest soccer club in this countrys history. And because Ive seen the votes, I can tell you we won in a landslide- And rightly so  :clapping

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Re: You should all Bow to FIFA's Oceania Club of the Century
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2010, 05:21:37 PM »
I'd be too embarrassed to win anything associated with Oceania lol. A joke of a confederation because it's too small and so far behind everyone else. A backwater of soccer. It should be part of the Asian confederation.

The Victory is on its way to its 3rd National championship and premiership in just its 5 year history. There's also the AFC Champions league coming up. How many titles did South win in its first 5 years in the NSL ... ummm .... that would be none  ;). Heidelberg were the stronger Vic team initially. Enjoy the VPL  ;D
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