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Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« on: February 04, 2010, 04:33:12 PM »
Men at Work expected to hand over as much as 60% of their earnings from the song over this  :o


Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra: court
KIM ARLINGTON
February 4, 2010

Men at Work's No.1 hit Down Under reproduced a "substantial part" of the children's folk tune Kookaburra Sits In the Old Gum Tree , infringing copyright in the song, a Federal Court judge found today.

Larrikin Music, which owns the copyright to the song Kookaburra , is now entitled to recover damages - potentially a huge sum - from band members and their record company.

Larrikin alleged that the band's famous flute riff came from the children's tune, written in 1934 by school teacher Marion Sinclair.

The court has heard that Ms Sinclair had entered the competition calling for entrants to submit a song in the round, a short story, a poem or a picture that could be used for a Christmas card. Competition details were printed in a circular and the official Girl Guide magazine Matilda , stating that all material entered would become property of the Girl Guide Association of Victoria.

Larrikin claims it had won a tender for the copyright for Kookaburra from the South Australian Public Trustee in 1990, after Ms Sinclair died.

Legal action was launched by Larrikin's managing director, Norman Lurie, in 2007 after the television show Spicks And Specks raised the alleged similarities.

Larrikin sued songwriters Colin Hay and Ron Strykert and record company EMI seeking backdated royalties and a share of future profits.

Down Under topped the charts in Australia, the US and Britain and is an unofficial anthem for Australians everywhere.

After a hearing in the Federal Court last year, Justice Peter Jacobson delivered judgment today.

"I have come to the view that the 1979 recording and the 1981 recording of Down Under infringe Larrikin's copyright in Kookaburra because both of those recordings reproduce a substantial part of Kookaburra ," he said.

"I am also of the view that Larrikin is entitled to recover damages ... for the infringements.

"Nevertheless, I would emphasise that the findings I have made do not amount to a finding that the flute riff is a substantial part of Down Under or that it is the "hook" of the song.

The judge said Larrikin had succeeded in its bid by proving the similarities between the songs.

But he said a Qantas advertisement, which also used a small similar section of the riff, was not in breach of copyright laws.

The parties will meet again on February 25 to discuss the findings and begin discussions about costs.

Larrikin's lawyer Adam Simpson said EMI and the band may be forced to hand over as much as 60 per cent of their earnings from the international hit record.

"It's a big win for the underdog," Mr Simpson said outside the court today.

When asked how much Larrikin would be looking for, he replied: "Obviously, the more the better but it depends - anything from what we've claimed, which is between 40 and 60 [per cent], and what they've suggested which is considerably less."

http://www.smh.com.au/small-business/men-at-works-down-under-ripped-off-kookaburra-court-20100204-nfiq.html
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2010, 04:56:59 PM »
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2010, 05:18:51 PM »
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"Do you come from a land down under?
Where women glow and men plunder?
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover."
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2010, 05:24:27 PM »
 :lol
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2010, 05:29:07 PM »
Im sure i heard about a case years ago where one artist was accusing the other of using riff or similar. The Judge decided that there are only so many notes, thus combination of notes so it is inevitable that works will be repeated.

Don't cover band only have to change a small number of notes to avoid copyright issues?
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2010, 05:41:26 PM »
Can we sue someone for using Middle C  :wallywink

Didn't K.D.Lang successful sue the Rolling Stones because one of their Voodoo Lounge songs sounded like her song 'Constant Craving'?
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 05:56:03 PM »
Hadnt heard that but it got my curiosity up.

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Richards' daughter, Angela, brought it to her father's attention that The Rolling Stones' new song bore a striking resemblance to k.d. lang's 1992 hit "Constant Craving" in its chorus. Seeking to avoid any possible future legal entanglements, lang and her co-writer Ben Mink were credited with Jagger and Richards on the potentially offending song.

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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2010, 01:26:33 AM »
Hadnt heard that but it got my curiosity up.

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Richards' daughter, Angela, brought it to her father's attention that The Rolling Stones' new song bore a striking resemblance to k.d. lang's 1992 hit "Constant Craving" in its chorus. Seeking to avoid any possible future legal entanglements, lang and her co-writer Ben Mink were credited with Jagger and Richards on the potentially offending song.

(Bridges to Babylon album)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridges_to_Babylon
I had the wrong album but yep that's the case I was thinking of.
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2010, 08:15:46 AM »
The first such case that I can remember was when George Harrison was found guilty of ripping off the Chiffons "He's so fine" for his hit single "My sweet Lord", and had to pay damages.
But what made that case even stranger was that Harrison's manager at the time, Allan Klein, then bought the company that owned the rights to "He's so fine", and continued the lawsuit against his own client.  :lol

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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 11:54:14 PM »
What about vanilla Ice's baseline rip off of Pressure. 

Pressure went da da da dada da da, da da da dada da da
Ice Ice Baby went da da da dada da da, DA da da da dada da da.

One da made lotsa dough as he got away with it for years.

Also name just about any offspring song.... Why don't you get a job = Ob la di Ob la da 

or Hammerhead guitar riff = Ace of Spades by Motorhead! Massive rip off of one of my favorite songs....listen to both and you will see!

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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2010, 02:31:47 AM »
What about vanilla Ice's baseline rip off of Pressure. 

Pressure went da da da dada da da, da da da dada da da
Ice Ice Baby went da da da dada da da, DA da da da dada da da.

One da made lotsa dough as he got away with it for years.
They probably thought suing would have given him some credibility :wallywink lol
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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2010, 09:24:42 AM »
Then there was the string section to "Bittersweet Symphony" which The Verve lifted from an Andrew Oldham Orchestra version of the Rolling Stones' hit "The Last Time" without due permission. Despite the song being a huge hit for the Verve (no.2 in England, and no.12 in the USA), the band ended up having to pay 100% royalties to Jagger and Richards.A Bittersweet Symphony indeed."Try to make ends meet, you're a slave to money, then you die" :lol 

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Re: Men at Work's Down Under ripped off Kookaburra
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 03:49:12 PM »
I wonder how far they take this though. There are a number of songs that start and end with the donging of a single big bell for instance but no ones cares - AC/DC's 'Hells Bells', Pink Floyd's 'High Hopes' and Enigma's 'Mea Culpa'.
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