Andrew Collins [merged]

[the claw]

at 78kg hes still terribly under sized. needs about 7kg to 9kg this more than anything is what has held him back and contributed to injury.

hes one i have no doubt about has the tools to be a very good player.

Many players develop OP from carrying too much bulk.
At 184cm his ideal playing weight would be around 84kg
Simon Black is 186cm and only 83kg, I don't think anyone would say he's underweight

pppffftt hes currently 186cm and 78kg  hes bloody scrawny. 85kg  would be ideal  but boy hes a way from that.
yep i know a few who would indeed say hes underweight.

I understand he's still underweight, but to think he requires another 7-9kg is wrong. Also putting it all on in one go can lead to other potentially career affecting injuries.

sheesh where did i say he needs to put it all on in one go. i made an observation that for a bloke who stands at 186cm at 78 kg hes still well under weight.his size is one reason why development has been slow.  im sure if most people   look at him they would agree.

7kg would get him to 85kg for an onballer he will need every bit of it. i loosly base the 7 to 9 kg comments on roughly what the majority of other players in the comp at his height weigh. and yep there are some in development just as light as collins.
 as you say  in a few yrs time,  i would be happy if hes at 85kg give or take a couple kg.
it may be that hes just rangy  and will never get to 85  but he needs  to get as big as he can. if its 82kg so be it,its  got to be better than 78kg.
im not criticising the kid  far from it i have said for a couple yrs now he will be a very good player. close to 7kg will help him become that very good player.

[the claw]

at 78kg hes still terribly under sized. needs about 7kg to 9kg this more than anything is what has held him back and contributed to injury.

hes one i have no doubt about has the tools to be a very good player.

Many players develop OP from carrying too much bulk.
At 184cm his ideal playing weight would be around 84kg
Simon Black is 186cm and only 83kg, I don't think anyone would say he's underweight

hmm what are we debating here  ? a couple of kg give or take. if 84 is ideal that is 6kg to gain. id take that.

[big tone]

I'll be totally honest, i don't expect much from Andrew. Although he surpast all my expertations this year. I've seen a bit of him and think he will be gone by seasons end or mayby one more. Not being negative but just don't think he will make it long term. More than happy to be wrong!  
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[the claw]

I was hoping to see him hit the 80+ Kg mark for 2010 but that hasn't happened

So..........ummmmmmm.....

I tihnk it is actually going to be an interesting year for young Andy as there seems to be alot of blokes competing for the same roles (which is a good thing BTW).

His lack of size continues to be a worry for mine

I reckon 15 odd games and nil injuries would be a reasonable return IMV

actually your comments sort of got me thinking.
the weights dept at richmond has copped a hell of a  lot of criticism for failure to bulk up our players.  and yep i have to put my hand up ive been one of the most critical probably.
ive lamented a lack of size across the board for many yrs now and when one compares us across the boerd to a team like geelong we are smaller.

what has got me going though is the majority of players  on the list last yr were  up near ideal weight.
it was only a small core of players who constanly failed to get to ideal weight or close to it.
it was  only  mcguane, moore, thursfield, mcmuffin,edwards,jon, and collins who really failed to dramatically bulk up. the questions i ask is was it failure by the club or were these players of a type that were never going to dramatically bulk up and probably were always going to be a bit on the light side.
nearly every other player from last yr had a height to weight  ratio comparable with most other players at other clubs at a similar height. i will say though it seems we take longer to bulk our players than other clubs. weather this is a misconception im not sure.
what i am now asking  is. was all the criticism the weights dept copped justified.
 i think some criticism  was justified but  were that as bad as supporters believe.

[Mr Magic]

Good balance and looks the part but his disposal is a little patchy IMO.
Definitely needs more weight.
Big year for Andy coming up and will decide his future.
For a 4th year outside midfielder you'd expect at least 15 games and 20 possessions pg.

[one-eyed]

Collo is becoming a bit of a goalkicking midfielder - 6 goals in his past 3 games and has average 17 possessions this year from 8 matches.

[Tigermonk]

certainly is being developed the right way now, looked good last night & is getting his own ball 

[WilliamPowell]

Very pleasing to see him put his body on the line last night

Good game 

[WA Tiger]

Best game for a while actually, but IMO he still thinks he has all the time in the world on his side, he needs to stop second guesing and get rid of the ball in the first in the first instance!!

[Penelope]

If think,WAT he needs to learn when he needs to dispose of the ball quickly and when he can take a risk. I don't mind players taking the game on and it will take time to learn when not to and when to. This means sometimes they will make mistakes but thats OK, as long as they learn from it.

40 meters out pretty much straight in front with a wall of opposition back men encroaching is definitely a time to put boot to ball quickly, but as i said hopefully he will learn from things like that

[WA Tiger]

If think,WAT he needs to learn when he needs to dispose of the ball quickly and when he can take a risk. I don't mind players taking the game on and it will take time to learn when not to and when to. This means sometimes they will make mistakes but thats OK, as long as they learn from it.

40 meters out pretty much straight in front with a wall of opposition back men encroaching is definitely a time to put boot to ball quickly, but as i said hopefully he will learn from things like that

That is dead right Al, exactly what I mean..

[mightytiges]

Collo wasn't having a huge game before he got flattened but inspiring stuff from him to come back on and  kick our last two goals to win the game. Even taking the hit set up Newy's goal. He's become a handy goalkicking mid/HFFer over the past month. Way to go Collo 

[one-eyed]

Richmond's Collins learns fast
SAM LIENERT
July 4, 2010 - 8:04PM

Richmond youngster Andrew Collins says a knock to the head might have helped him produce the late goal-kicking heroics which delivered the Tigers an upset win over Sydney.

Collins kicked the final two goals as the Tigers came from 33 points down to notch a stirring four-point win at the MCG on Sunday

Minutes earlier, a head clash with Swans defender Lewis Roberts-Thomson knocked him out and the groggy forward had to be helped to the bench by trainers.

But coach Damien Hardwick said as soon as he got there, he demanded to return.

"He came off and then went straight to the board man and me and said 'I'm right'," Hardwick said.

"I said: 'You've just been carried off the ground, you dill'.

"But to his credit, he's a kid who puts his body in, he's not a big boy, but he went back on and took that fantastic mark on the goal line, which is terrific."

Collins' first of two match-winning goals came from a mark 30m out, and he admitted it had been no certainty.

"I hadn't been kicking set shots that well this week at training, so I was a little bit nervous, but I spoke to my old man last night about goal kicking," he said.

"He said just get your mind ready to go back and just say to yourself 'You'll kick this' and it just worked out alright."

He gave the Tigers the lead less than three minutes later, after marking at the back of a goalsquare pack.

Before those late majors he had just one goal for the game but said the head knock might have changed his mindset for the better.

"It probably helped me a bit, to be honest, put me in a bit of a different space," he said.

"For about 30 or 40 seconds you just get in a different headspace, I was knocked out a bit cold, but then you eventually come good."

Collins said the victory added to the squad's burgeoning belief and was sweeter given the Swans had dominated them in recent seasons.

"We built this one up as a little bit of a final for us," he said.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-sport/richmonds-collins-learns-fast-20100704-zvrc.html

[eliminator]

The marks he took in final quarter were impressive

[the_boy_jake]

He plays a fair bit taller than the 184-186cm he's listed in various places. Must be the long arms. Either way he'll be a difficult one to match up because he can mark overhead, has a fair bit of pace to him, good at ground level and can improvise a little something out of nothing. Good to have in the mix.