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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2010, 11:12:24 PM »
You said yourself he is servicable doing certain jobs. Geez you cant even agree with you without getting an argument in return.

If you load up the side with kids as you want and try to play the game that Hardwick wants , half way through the season you will see them run out of steam and cop some real smashings, loose confidence in themselves and perhaps even the coach, as well as start to run the risk of excessive soft tissue injuries. You need mature match hardened bodies in the side that can carry the bulk of the load until these kids bodies mature to the point they can take over, if they are good enough.

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the only trouble with HOPING he can become more servicable is you arent playing someone who may be better.

Both scenarios are based on hope.

If you want to match everyone in the side up against their best counterparts in the league you will struggle to fund any players that will hold their place.

Barring the very best sides, that come along rarely, all top sides will have average honest foot solders. Mcguane fits this catagory. He may not set the world on fire, but he rarely gets smashed by his opponent, so he can be part of a solid defensive foundation. He works hard and seems to play to instructions. Although not a man mountain his body can cope with rigours of AFL football.

Given we need to establish a solid defensive game, to offload him now just in the HOPE that who you replace him with might be a champ is like quitting your job and buying a tatslotto ticket.

Play the players now who best can carry out the coaches instructions. Get the game plan in place and working is number 1 priority. Then in a year, or two or whenever, if the kids coming through are good enough they can replace the mcguanes of the world and take the club to the next level.






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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2010, 08:12:22 AM »
You said yourself he is servicable doing certain jobs. Geez you cant even agree with you without getting an argument in return.

If you load up the side with kids as you want and try to play the game that Hardwick wants , half way through the season you will see them run out of steam and cop some real smashings, loose confidence in themselves and perhaps even the coach, as well as start to run the risk of excessive soft tissue injuries. You need mature match hardened bodies in the side that can carry the bulk of the load until these kids bodies mature to the point they can take over, if they are good enough.

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the only trouble with HOPING he can become more servicable is you arent playing someone who may be better.

Both scenarios are based on hope.

If you want to match everyone in the side up against their best counterparts in the league you will struggle to fund any players that will hold their place.

Barring the very best sides, that come along rarely, all top sides will have average honest foot solders. Mcguane fits this catagory. He may not set the world on fire, but he rarely gets smashed by his opponent, so he can be part of a solid defensive foundation. He works hard and seems to play to instructions. Although not a man mountain his body can cope with rigours of AFL football.

Given we need to establish a solid defensive game, to offload him now just in the HOPE that who you replace him with might be a champ is like quitting your job and buying a tatslotto ticket.

Play the players now who best can carry out the coaches instructions. Get the game plan in place and working is number 1 priority. Then in a year, or two or whenever, if the kids coming through are good enough they can replace the mcguanes of the world and take the club to the next level.

Exactly.  Good post Al.   :thumbsup

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2010, 08:49:02 AM »
We are in a position where we have 4 players ( Moore Rance Mcgunae and Thursty ) who are more suited to a third KP defenders role. Only 2 can play in the senior team. Gourdis and Post have the increased size and muscle mass to be potential genuine KP defenders, the question remains, are they good enough?  Mcguane is dour defender not unlike Paul Bulluss, he needs to improve 10% and he will be a bona fide AFL player, not there yet but he is improving.

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2010, 08:27:20 AM »
Sounds as if Muscles did well on Ottens yesterday.

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2010, 11:13:50 AM »
He was drafted as a 17 yoa in 2004.

He is only 23 now.

has 50 games under his belt.

 


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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2010, 11:36:22 AM »
Said it before and I will say it again, got a lot of time for this guy, he showed yesterday why he is important in our back line, end of story. Actually this happens all the time, so many posters on this forum bag players like McGuane, Riewoltd, Edwards (me in particular) etc..... then they front up and prove the knockers completely wrong, McGuane has done it again.

FFS I wish we would just embrace these players for a change!!!
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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2010, 12:31:50 PM »
Said it before and I will say it again, got a lot of time for this guy, he showed yesterday why he is important in our back line, end of story. Actually this happens all the time, so many posters on this forum bag players like McGuane, Riewoltd, Edwards (me in particular) etc..... then they front up and prove the knockers completely wrong, McGuane has done it again.

FFS I wish we would just embrace these players for a change!!!

Mcguane was great yesterday. He looks a touch bigger. Thursty is starting to look solid now too

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2010, 01:33:26 PM »
Said it before and I will say it again, got a lot of time for this guy, he showed yesterday why he is important in our back line, end of story. Actually this happens all the time, so many posters on this forum bag players like McGuane, Riewoltd, Edwards (me in particular) etc..... then they front up and prove the knockers completely wrong, McGuane has done it again.

FFS I wish we would just embrace these players for a change!!!

Mcguane was great yesterday. He looks a touch bigger. Thursty is starting to look solid now too

Dead set difference with them two back there IMO, sounded like our rebound game was really on.
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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2010, 02:03:00 PM »
You said yourself he is servicable doing certain jobs. Geez you cant even agree with you without getting an argument in return.

If you load up the side with kids as you want and try to play the game that Hardwick wants , half way through the season you will see them run out of steam and cop some real smashings, loose confidence in themselves and perhaps even the coach, as well as start to run the risk of excessive soft tissue injuries.

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the only trouble with HOPING he can become more servicable is you arent playing someone who may be better.

Both scenarios are based on hope.

If you want to match everyone in the side up against their best counterparts in the league you will struggle to fund any players that will hold their place.

Barring the very best sides, that come along rarely, all top sides will have average honest foot solders. Mcguane fits this catagory. He may not set the world on fire, but he rarely gets smashed by his opponent, so he can be part of a solid defensive foundation. He works hard and seems to play to instructions. Although not a man mountain his body can cope with rigours of AFL football.

Given we need to establish a solid defensive game, to offload him now just in the HOPE that who you replace him with might be a champ is like quitting your job and buying a tatslotto ticket.

Play the players now who best can carry out the coaches instructions. Get the game plan in place and working is number 1 priority. Then in a year, or two or whenever, if the kids coming through are good enough they can replace the mcguanes of the world and take the club to the next level.







yep he does certain things well and certain roles but hes  incomplete  hes not rounded enough surely its better to aim for a better more rounded player.
 hands up who saw tivendale play some real good games but he was a glass half full and we needed to do better he lasted 9yrs when he should have lasted no more than 4. pettifer kraskouer the same thing inordinate amounts of time  in our system  some good attributes not not enough to overcome the  weaknesses.
and mcguane is in the same boat.

and whos loading up with kids ive only ever wanted well structured best kicking  quick  smart sides with a decent sprinkling of experience.
sheesh whos the one whos argued for a mature ruckman to be taken  or who wanted bradshaw. whos been saying polak will play because of experience even though i cant stand him as a player.
sheesh down back we at least have 26yr old moore, 27yr old newman, 24 yr old thursfield, 23 yr old tambling and that without mcguane. its the most experienced part of the ground for us.

and what hardwick wants for his game plan is very good kicks  mcguane hardly fits that bill now does he. oh thats right the defenders of mediocrity cant see the poor skills they keep kidding themselves.

and yep both scenarios is based on hope ones a known quantity that imo is not good enough the other is one that may be what we need. i know lets not play martin  because we are relying on hope never mid that he has the attributes to succeed.  for me post or mcguane  id take post everyday.

and who wants to match him up against the best  ive asked people to match him up against all others. sheesh pears hooker  hurley are miles in front of him all young  and all from the one side. do the exercise. sheesh schoenmakers who played in the nab cup is how old  hes a more rounded  player than mcguane already. on it goes.

anyway as i have repeatedly said most are going to disagree with me  im happy to just agree to disagree.

just have to finish on this though.this is basically the team ive advocted right thru with the odd variation ie thomson or edwards every team ive picked has not had mcguane.  what experience am i ignoring tuck mcguane  sheesh we are in rebuild its a transition from old to new what do you want  the exact same players who took us to a spoon  sheesh.

ive picked sides regularly who have height, size, most importantly SKILLS. AS FEW POOR KICKS AS POSSIBLE. pace, smarts. good structure, a sprinkling of experience,  and catered to development along the way.

b/      Farmer -  Thursfield -  Moore.
hb/    Newman -  Post -      Tambling
C/     Collins -    Cousins -    Martin
hf/     Cotchin -  Riewoldt -  Astbury
f/      Morton -   Polak -      Nahas
r/      Simmonds - Deledio - Foley
int/    Ruckman - Taylor - Roberts - jackson.  

Atm i could possibly live with mcguane in for moore as a tall primary defender. i believe moore has better skills is quicker  and provides better run. this yr will determine moores fate. for me mcguane has already been earmarked for gc17.    


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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2010, 02:10:34 PM »
for some of us its been a little more than the middle of last yr. ive been calling for a full on youth policy since 02.
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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2010, 02:12:35 PM »
b/      Farmer -  Thursfield -  Moore.
hb/    Newman -  Post -      Tambling
C/     Collins -    Cousins -    Martin
hf/     Cotchin -  Riewoldt -  Astbury
f/      Morton -   Polak -      Nahas
r/      Simmonds - Deledio - Foley
int/    Ruckman - Taylor - Roberts - jackson.  

You are comparing Mcguane to players who didn't chase enough, work enough or go in hard hard. He's not in that category and he's our most important defender. Sign him up now. Mcguane is a very nice kick of the ball btw. Mcguane would surely get a game ahead of Moore. You don't even have Edwards in the team either. Edwards and Mcguane are definates in our 22

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2010, 02:19:04 PM »
for some of us its been a little more than the middle of last yr. ive been calling for a full on youth policy since 02.
so what does that have to do with intriducing youth into the senior team in a structured way.  yea we needed a full on youth policy in 02 just like we do right now. but one statement does not mean  we ave to throw em all into the team at once.
i know i will just go thru your posts and and pluck out sentences willy  willy and take en out of context. sheesh some are pathetic.

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2010, 02:34:59 PM »
Obviously we have different interpretations of "Full On". Sorry
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So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2010, 02:58:31 PM »
Obviously we have different interpretations of "Full On". Sorry
the end of 09 was a full on youth policy  its about getting lots of youth into your system and turning over as many players as possible especially those who have had adequare time to produce.
 when you are trading away  top picks on retreads and useing limited nd picks each yr one tends to harp on about full on youth policy  not hedging our bets like we have in the frawley wallace yrs.

its logical you first have to get the kids in adequate numbers into your systems  you then play them when possible or at every opportunity .

this yr i want to see nason get a game webberley taylor dea astbury roberts griffiths martin but only a few will get significant games  they still need to play with experience around them good structure  and when they tire they need to be replaced.  jayden post has shown he is ready t play so has astbury in fact both these boys are good for structure  but if they struggle or lose form send em back to coburg for a little bit to recharge. but the priority must be these kids not blokes who have had their day in the sun and failed.

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Re: Rating Mcguane as a KPD aginst his peers
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2010, 03:13:01 PM »
Said it before and I will say it again, got a lot of time for this guy, he showed yesterday why he is important in our back line, end of story. Actually this happens all the time, so many posters on this forum bag players like McGuane, Riewoltd, Edwards (me in particular) etc..... then they front up and prove the knockers completely wrong, McGuane has done it again.

FFS I wish we would just embrace these players for a change!!!

Mcguane was great yesterday. He looks a touch bigger. Thursty is starting to look solid now too
was you at yea then.  and just where do you think  edwards will play he wont play in front of newman, tambling or farmer down back.  and i would easily take collins cousins and martin thru the middle. morton nahas and roberts  possibly cotchin are all better small forward options.
and on the bench we will play a second ruckman jackson will play as a run with player in front of him  taylor  or collins teah well he may sneak onto the bench  its possible though the will go with another big body like dea or thomson or even tuck hes no walk up start or top 22 but hes in the mix.