Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)

[tony_montana]

There are always 2 sides to a story and wallace/Miler are very responsibe for their actions in my mind, nobody should deny this, but all bias aside, that's a good article. Unfortunately the truth hurts for some supporters

Or a highly distorted version of the truth

rubbish,

what was distorted?

the truth about being under resourced? or the truth about influential outside factions? like i said some supporters are blindly defensive of the club, probably why the club is able to get away with the rubbish of the past 28 years yea after year. Whatever u think of miller (and believe me i don't think much of him) a lot f that was spot on.

Here's a tip and bookmark it. In 3 years if this hasn't been sorted, and there is still knifing in the back going on then hardwick will be moved on bc a fractured club is never successful, but i guess supporters like u will be saying another crap coach right?

[FNM]

Not mention of the staff he burnt along the way.
Good people like Steve Alessio , Dave Wheadon he drove out of the place, just to have himself surrounded byfriends, eg Monhurst, Wayne Johnstone, Gordon Casey , Paul Armstrong, , I could go on and on.

You forgot Wallace got rid of you as well
Oooops - oh sorry, you were talking about good people 

Good article and he's a nice man
If that's how he saw it, and hard to know where he got it wrong because it all sounds pretty plausible to me, then good on him for having a say
No doubt people will just say it's sour grapes
Maybe an element of both sour grapes and  truthfulness
Good timing as well, so the president and everyone else can pull their heads in and give each other unconditional support at the beginning of a new era 

Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story there.
I left over $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Nothing more , nothing less.
Not going to spend 20 hours a week and only get half paid from previous years. WTF
While Wallace reaps $600,000
On this matter, and interesting point is that most coaches put aside money from there own pocket to employ the staff they want.
Eg Runners are poorly paid or not paid, the coach for example would give them $5000 for the year.  say $200 a week to pay for there time and expenses
Its happens and most clubs

So you put money ahead of your love for the club.
That's you in a nutshell 

[jackstar is back again]

Not mention of the staff he burnt along the way.
Good people like Steve Alessio , Dave Wheadon he drove out of the place, just to have himself surrounded byfriends, eg Monhurst, Wayne Johnstone, Gordon Casey , Paul Armstrong, , I could go on and on.

You forgot Wallace got rid of you as well
Oooops - oh sorry, you were talking about good people 

Good article and he's a nice man
If that's how he saw it, and hard to know where he got it wrong because it all sounds pretty plausible to me, then good on him for having a say
No doubt people will just say it's sour grapes
Maybe an element of both sour grapes and  truthfulness
Good timing as well, so the president and everyone else can pull their heads in and give each other unconditional support at the beginning of a new era 

Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story there.
I left over $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Nothing more , nothing less.
Not going to spend 20 hours a week and only get half paid from previous years. WTF
While Wallace reaps $600,000
On this matter, and interesting point is that most coaches put aside money from there own pocket to employ the staff they want.
Eg Runners are poorly paid or not paid, the coach for example would give them $5000 for the year.  say $200 a week to pay for there time and expenses
Its happens and most clubs

So you put money ahead of your love for the club.
That's you in a nutshell 

What about expenses of carparking, petrol and the 20-30 hours aweek ???

[FNM]

Jack, no-one paid mine when I worked for them for nothing

[jackstar is back again]

Jack, no-one paid mine when I worked for them for nothing

Footy clubs are geared up to pay all staff in the footy dept.- Richmonds a bit different
Can you tell both Sheeds and Pagan at least tipped in $30-50K  a year  into employing extra staff, why ???
That answer is easy, both coaches won flags, funny about that.
Pagan even in his last years at Carlton paid the runners out of his own pocket, why, he wanted the best people around him and to pay there expenses eg petrol to go to training 3 times a week and there time on match days and interstate trips etc.
To pay 4-5 staff $200-$300 aweek to ensure succcess isnt a big deal , if you on $600,000 a year as a coach.
If I was on that coin, I would sacrifice 5-10% to ensure my success

[FNM]

Maybe Wallace didn't rate paying you anything
Deal with it

[jackstar is back again]

Maybe Wallace didn't rate paying you anything
Deal with it

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Both Wallace and Miller took from the club and gave nothing  back.
Oh yeah I forgot, they left a trsain wreck of a playing list.
Now thats good management, well done to all involved, move on.
Next you will be suggesting that both be nominated for legend status at the AFL or at Punt Road.

[Smokey]

FWIW I thought it was a decent article that only discussed the things as Miller saw them, its only his opinion just as we all have ours.  He doesn't try to shift blame but mentions many factors that all contributed to non-success.  He openly admits to what he sees as his own personal strengths and weaknesses and his role in the eventual downfall of everything.

When we are successful again, it will not be because we finally got the right coach or right CEO or right president - it will be because of a combination of many many factors that all finally 'click' together, so just as it will be unfair to single out the coach for the pats on the back when that happens, it is just as unfair to solely blame Miller and Wallace.  Yep, they both failed in the jobs they were employed to do but it wasn't only their fault so you can't whack this article because it fails to deliver that verdict.

[jackstar is back again]

FWIW I thought it was a decent article that only discussed the things as Miller saw them, its only his opinion just as we all have ours.  He doesn't try to shift blame but mentions many factors that all contributed to non-success.  He openly admits to what he sees as his own personal strengths and weaknesses and his role in the eventual downfall of everything.

When we are successful again, it will not be because we finally got the right coach or right CEO or right president - it will be because of a combination of many many factors that all finally 'click' together, so just as it will be unfair to single out the coach for the pats on the back when that happens, it is just as unfair to solely blame Miller and Wallace.  Yep, they both failed in the jobs they were employed to do but it wasn't only their fault so you can't whack this article because it fails to deliver that verdict.

Good point

[Go Richo 12]

I thopught it was a decent article too! It has highlighted what all the coaches since 1982 have to deal with, no money and no infrastructure! About Pagan paying runners in his final year out of his own pocket so he could have the best staff- he got sacked! Didnt work!

[jackstar is back again]

I thopught it was a decent article too! It has highlighted what all the coaches since 1982 have to deal with, no money and no infrastructure! About Pagan paying runners in his final year out of his own pocket so he could have the best staff- he got sacked! Didnt work!

But , both knew the receipe for success. Both had brilliant staff, thats why so many of Sheeds assistants have gone on to coach.

[FNM]

I thopught it was a decent article too! It has highlighted what all the coaches since 1982 have to deal with, no money and no infrastructure! About Pagan paying runners in his final year out of his own pocket so he could have the best staff- he got sacked! Didnt work!

But , both new the receipe for success. Both had brilliant staff, thats why so many of Sheeds assistants have gone on to coach.

And who's to say 2011, as predicted by Wallace, won't be our year where we start making the finals consistently?

[FNM]

And just on you, Jack, anyone who knows you knows you can't keep a secret
You're a walking time bomb for any club
Why would they pay someone like that?

[FNM]

I thopught it was a decent article too! It has highlighted what all the coaches since 1982 have to deal with, no money and no infrastructure! About Pagan paying runners in his final year out of his own pocket so he could have the best staff- he got sacked! Didnt work!

But , both knew the receipe for success. Both had brilliant staff, thats why so many of Sheeds assistants have gone on to coach.

Once Sheeds had success at the Bombers, he never lacked for money.  I'm sure his club never stripped finances from his department as Wallace and others at Richmond have had to deal with.

[jackstar is back again]

And just on you, Jack, anyone who knows you knows you can't keep a secret
You're a walking time bomb for any club
Why would they pay someone like that?

The club has more leaks than the titanic, fact- Most footyclubs do though
Havent been there for 3 years and know more about the place now than I did when I was there.
Aint  my fault the thing leaks like a siv.
You have to realise this, most players have best mates who play other clubs, thats a fact of life. They grew up with them and they sociallise outside football together.
What about last weeks leak, wanna blame me for that as well?
What about the circus mid year last year, want to blame me for that as well.
Move on.
T