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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #120 on: March 08, 2010, 12:03:00 AM »
One thing about Terry I hated from the start was his:

"I'm a life member at 2 clubs that I played footy for but the 3rd footy club I have yet to win life membership. That's something I want to achieve."

Just too individualistic and something you'd hear in the NBA or NFL..

Give me a Hardwick sustained success speech every day of the week.
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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #121 on: March 08, 2010, 12:09:54 AM »
I'm in full support of our current regime and look forward to some honest hard and well earned business and football results.

Marvellous post Popelord.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #122 on: March 08, 2010, 01:36:01 AM »
And furthermore,dont know why I post on here anymore
I do. Because you cannot exist unless you are the centre of attention
If it's not here, it'll be somewhere else
If not on the internet, you ring up everyone and spread your joy  :rollin
Because you can't help yourself
 :lol

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #123 on: March 08, 2010, 02:18:20 AM »
I think all you guys have a lot to contribute to the general discussion about our beloved tiges
Never forget that we all here want the same thing ,and have wanted it for over 30 years now.
I guess the club hasnt provided us a blue print for success in that time so we have all gone in search for it ourselves.
I like all your posts  and i like jacks too,for he provides a different perspective,maybe an insiders one,one that we rarely see

jackstar is back again

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #124 on: March 08, 2010, 07:43:13 AM »
And furthermore,dont know why I post on here anymore
I do. Because you cannot exist unless you are the centre of attention
If it's not here, it'll be somewhere else
If not on the internet, you ring up everyone and spread your joy  :rollin
Because you can't help yourself
 :lol

Your a * ing
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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #125 on: March 08, 2010, 09:48:56 AM »
And furthermore,dont know why I post on here anymore
I do. Because you cannot exist unless you are the centre of attention
If it's not here, it'll be somewhere else
If not on the internet, you ring up everyone and spread your joy  :rollin
Because you can't help yourself
 :lol

Your a F ing imbecile


Looks likes you may have struck a nerve there FNM........

FNM

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #126 on: March 08, 2010, 11:16:19 AM »
And furthermore,dont know why I post on here anymore
I do. Because you cannot exist unless you are the centre of attention
If it's not here, it'll be somewhere else
If not on the internet, you ring up everyone and spread your joy  :rollin
Because you can't help yourself
 :lol

Your a F ing imbecile


Looks likes you may have struck a nerve there FNM........
He's easily struck

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #127 on: March 08, 2010, 02:11:17 PM »
TW never had a chance because he wasn't ever up to it. Greg Miller was a relic who was pushed out of the Roos because he couldn't delegate.

The appointments were flawed because we employed football personalities without doing the diligence to see if there was any substance.

I think the president of the time liked it that way.

Richmond has been stuck in a time warp for some time expecting results with very little substance in how we approach building from the ground up.

The AFL industry has seen us as little more than a surburban club for many years.

We might be on our way but it's going to take a long time. Many years.

So if you like taking pot shots, then you'll have plenty of opps to tee off in the next few years.

Greg Miller is about Greg Miller. Those of you who enjoyed that article and find it "honest" can't see the forest for the trees.
It's that simple Spud
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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #128 on: March 08, 2010, 02:14:28 PM »

Those of you who enjoyed that article and find it "honest" can't see the forest for the trees.

Neither can those who think Miller and Wallace are the only ones at fault.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #129 on: March 08, 2010, 02:41:15 PM »
TW never had a chance because he wasn't ever up to it. Greg Miller was a relic who was pushed out of the Roos because he couldn't delegate.

The appointments were flawed because we employed football personalities without doing the diligence to see if there was any substance.

I think the president of the time liked it that way.

Richmond has been stuck in a time warp for some time expecting results with very little substance in how we approach building from the ground up.

The AFL industry has seen us as little more than a surburban club for many years.

We might be on our way but it's going to take a long time. Many years.

So if you like taking pot shots, then you'll have plenty of opps to tee off in the next few years.

Greg Miller is about Greg Miller. Those of you who enjoyed that article and find it "honest" can't see the forest for the trees.

No-one of substance has ever tried to knock down our doors and take us to the promise land
You forget we've burned everyone in our past 30 years or so and our reputation wouldn't endear us to any prospective coach/administrator.
We got someone who tried to do the job most of us agreed had to be done, and do it will little financial support
was always going to be a tough job but they failed
I'm still glad they had a go at doing the impossible, because we were going absolutely nowhere fast.
The hilarious part of this is most of us were right behind them until it got easier to jump ship and all of a sudden become martyrs for "another" cause
Just a joke

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #130 on: March 08, 2010, 03:27:49 PM »
The whole Wallace-Miller blame game smacks of history repeating itself. Once it was the likes of Gieschen, Walls and co. then it was Frawley and now Wallace and Miller are the sacrificial lambs whom all our woes are blamed on. Every time enough becomes enough, the coach is blamed, sacked and sacrificed on the altar and we talk of rebuilding (or "transformations"). What happened has happened and now as a club we need to recognise what legitimately was Wallace/Millers fault and what was a fault of the club itself. Correct those problems that we can and move on with Hardwick and the new coaching staff.

To truly transform we need to correct the underlying deficiencies in management and resourcing at the club to ensure that IF Hardwick & Co. fail it is truly to be laid at their feet, not to have them sacrificed as a scapegoat for the club when we fail to live up to expectations. I believe we have gone a long way to doing just that but time will tell whether Richmond is doomed to have history repeat itself.............AGAIN!

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #131 on: March 08, 2010, 03:39:04 PM »
I am loathed to say anything nice about Miller and Wallet on their time at Richmond as most of us are.

However the fish rots at the head going back to 1975.

Ian Wilson
Barry Richardson
Allan Bond
Neville Crowe
Leon Daphne
Clinton Casey
Gary March

All have presided over an era where he have had missed opportunities and infighting as well as on field failure has ripped the soul of our club.

Hopefully Gary is getting it right with the appointments of Benny and Dimma.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #132 on: March 08, 2010, 03:44:41 PM »

Those of you who enjoyed that article and find it "honest" can't see the forest for the trees.

Neither can those who think Miller and Wallace are the only ones at fault.

I agree miller and Wallace are all tip and no iceberg but they were very well paid to fail so miserably.

I think people are a bit tired of very highly paid executives (football or industry) passing the buck.

By hey if you like your membership wasted on them then feel free to allow them to pass the buck.
It's that simple Spud
"I discussed (it) with my three daughters, my wife and my 82-year-old mum, because it has really affected me … If those comments … were made about one of my daughters, it would make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I would not have liked it at all.”

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #133 on: March 08, 2010, 05:34:57 PM »

Those of you who enjoyed that article and find it "honest" can't see the forest for the trees.

Neither can those who think Miller and Wallace are the only ones at fault.

I agree miller and Wallace are all tip and no iceberg but they were very well paid to fail so miserably.

I think people are a bit tired of very highly paid executives (football or industry) passing the buck.

By hey if you like your membership wasted on them then feel free to allow them to pass the buck.

How much they were paid is irrelevant.  They weren't solely responsible and any attempt to portray them as such just perpetuates the problem we have had for the last 30 years - looking for scapegoats - putting bandaids over the top of sucking chest wounds.  Until we get an administration that is brutally honest with itself and faces up to this then we will keep repeating the mistakes.  Six months into his reign Wallace was just as popular as Hardwick is today - are you confident we have now done all we can at the club to ensure a positive change?  As far as being tired goes, I think Richmond supporters are far more tired of blaming the coach, only to find that replacing him did nothing to improve the situation.  So if you like your membership to go for a continual ride on the RFC coaching merry-go-round then ante up and don't complain when nothing changes.

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Re: Terry Wallace never had a chance: Miller (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #134 on: March 08, 2010, 05:43:20 PM »

Those of you who enjoyed that article and find it "honest" can't see the forest for the trees.

Neither can those who think Miller and Wallace are the only ones at fault.

I agree miller and Wallace are all tip and no iceberg but they were very well paid to fail so miserably.

I think people are a bit tired of very highly paid executives (football or industry) passing the buck.

By hey if you like your membership wasted on them then feel free to allow them to pass the buck.

And there in lies the whole problem. Because people blame wallace and miller so much, that if one of them points out any deficiencies within the club, heads get buried in the sand and cries of buck passing, defection and making excuses get bandied around.

Read the thread. Not one person has made a claim that wallace and or Miller are blameless. Not One!!
But many people want to dismiss what he has said, just because of personal feelings towards him.

This is why the club has been so poo for so long, because a small number of people are used as scapegoats, while the deeper insidious rot remains. If any of these scapegoats make a claim about problems within the club making their job more difficult it is instantly dismissed as sour grapes and ignored.

The powers that be knew that when things went astray all they needed was a bit of blood letting to keep the simple minded, blood lusting, feral hordes at bay and they could go back to their incompetent ways and would be left alone.

The question has been asked in this thread a number of times, but never answered. What claims has miller made that were wrong?

Lets look at Millers direct quotes only, and ignore an imbecile jounos take on things.

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From year one, the biggest concern was (that) the board - and I was part of that board - made a decision not to finance the football division, and that was a mistake,
True or False? Did the board decide not to finance the football dept? If so, was that a mistake or a good decision, in football terms?

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We were under-resourced in recruiting and under-resourced in development. Completely
True or False?

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We had to pull our head in (as a club), but the footy division suffered and, in the end, so did Terry's reputation. That was the unfortunate by-product of the decision to get the club back on its feet financially
True or false? The part about terry's reputation is an opinion only, so it cant be a true or false answer, butto concentrate on that aspect of the quote ignores the important part. Did the footy department suffer as a result of not getting adequate finance?

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If you think back to Terry's first year (2005), we had a $26,000 recruiting budget, no full-time recruiting staff and no development officers.
True or False?

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That's a far cry from what the board has put in place for (new coach) Damien Hardwick, which is the right way to go,
True or False? Has the club increased spending in the football deptartment now? If So is that a good thing, or should it have left how it was?

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I never felt that Terry enjoyed the total support he needed to be a successful coach
Being a personal opinion, this is hard to gauge and could be an excuse for a mate. His comparisons to the support he recieved at North, who won a premiership are interesting though.

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At the Kangaroos, we were blessed with a real camaraderie at the top with people like Ron Casey and Bob Ansett, and good people round you like Denis Pagan and Mark Dawson and Geoff Walsh.

We looked after each other and that's vital to everyone's peace of mind, to each other's sanity

Ron would come in every day and ask, `What can I do for you, pal?'. That was the president's opening line, and I always knew he was in my corner, and that was comforting
I doubt if any one here would be in a position to question the truth of this statment, but it sounds like a culture that breeds success.
Was this the sort of culture within at Richmond?

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It's the environment down there that needs all the people at the top to bind together and to become the impregnable force that Geelong has shown with the (Brian) Cooks and the (Frank) Costas and Neil Balme.
Is this a fair enough statement or can a club still be successful without unity at the top?

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No, it wasn't as simple as lack of money. It's probably a lack of unity between the big four at a footy club - president, CEO, director of football and coach. I just reckon one of the key elements of success is that impregnable force you (can) create by looking after each other. I don't think that was there.
If you're not confident in yourself, you start protecting yourself and by protecting yourself, you're not protecting each other. It's a survival thing
So, was the unity there at Richmond that enabled the people that mattered to go about their job without having to watch their own back all the time?

All of these things, to me anyway, seem like exactly the sort of problems that will see a club perform as miserably as Richmond have for nearly three decades.

So if you want to believe that everthing has been hunky dory at the club and that only the coach and football manager shoulder all the blame that's fine. If you want to bury your head in the sand and dismiss what seem like reasonable, constructive criticisms from a bloke who has seen how a successful, premiership winning club is run, just because you don't like him, then fine.

I just hope you have a very good saint to pray to every night, because if these claims are true, and are not rectified, then only a miracle will see us emerge from the mire.

Just has no-one in this thread has said Miller and Wallace are not blameless, I am not saying that. I have a very low opinion of wallace, and dont know  enough about Miller to make a judgment, but course they carry a fair burden of responsability, but I also believe that the problems go much deeper that just these two individuals.

It should also be noted that Miller does put his hand up for some things and admits he was not up scratch.
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From year one, the biggest concern was (that) the board - and I was part of that board - made a decision not to finance the football division, and that was a mistake
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There's no doubt I took on too many things (at Richmond). I probably did a lot of things OK, but I'll be the first to say I wasn't the best footy director

I know it wont enough to keep the lynch mobs at bay, but if he was part of the problem, then that part of the problem is now gone.

But do the other parts of the problem remain in place still, or do you honestly believe that simply sacking him and Wallace will deliver us utopia at last?





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