Kicking In Out of Defence

[TigerLand]

I've said it a few times and have picked up Ramps mentioning it as well as others.

Why not for 1 game against a WB, St.Kilda, Bris, Syd a team that puts full on defensive pressure we try for a whole game of Newman simply torpedoing the ball to the wing or the centre of the ground and trying to win the contested ball.

Sure it's a risk but for 5-6 years we havent successfully "chipped" out of the backline and gone on to have a shot at goal.

Its a simple "play" the kick in. It's a seperate game to a centre bounce or general rebound from defence.

I'd just love to see 3 or 4 times in a row Newman bomb the ball long away from the pressure that seems to just strangle our players every single game. Bomb it long to a big contest and have Relton, Martin, Thompson at the fall of a Browne/Simmonds who just should crush the pack every time.

Its just so much simpler than chipping through a zone or pin pointing a man on a lead 5 times to get it to the wing.

[Penelope]

Think it has merit as an option, but to do it all the time it would be easy to counter

[mightytiges]

Think it has merit as an option, but to do it all the time it would be easy to counter

Exactly. You need to mix up what you do so it's not totally predictable to the opposition. The torp would be a good tactic if used sparingly. A quick kick to 30m out and then a long 70m torp past centre over the zone. If it was used all the time then the opposition would be ready for it and set up accordingly to counter it.

Mind you I know what Popelord is getting at. We are very predictable anyway with our kick-ins and so sloooooowwww in moving the ball.

We either do a short kick to the pocket for zero territorial gain (that's if we hit the target   ) and we have to set up again OR we kick it longer to a 50/50 huddle 50m out and half the time the opposition get it anyway. Both represented by # below (yes I have too much time on my hands today lol)

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I can't understand in this set-up (and it happens often) why we don't kick towards the side of the ground where all the space is (1->2) and as soon as that kick is on its way one of our mids leaves his opponent and sprints from the congestion to the free wing (3). Player 2 as soon as he gets it kicks it instinctively straight away (2->3) and then a HF (4) leaves his opponent and sprints to the opposite HFF (3 -> 4) and receives the next quick kick. As the ball has been moved in about 10 secs there's no way the opposition can get numbers back in defence so our forward line would be open and player 4 should be able to spot up a forward (5) on the lead in space (4->5).

The reason it never happens is because there's no player 3 offering an option on the free wing for player 2 to kick to so we stagnate inside defensive 50 and the opposition just roll the zone over and get numbers behind the ball. Frustrates the hell out of me .

[Penelope]

Footscray made StKilda look like Richmond at times the other night, which i suppose demonstrates how hard a well drilled hard working side can make it for the opposition to clear the ball from defence.

Footscray also showed the skills required to pin point 20 meter passes, switching from side to side until space opens up down the ground and more often than not then kicking to advantage.

Kicking to advantage is the greatest deficiency at the club. Some players seem to have no idea where they should be kicking the ball to best advantage his teammate.

[MADTIGER2010]

I'd prefer we organise our kick ins better and the players run harder to offer targets 

[jackstar is back again]

Can tell you all this.
The concept of zones isnt as complicated as the Media makes out.
And the zones are very basic.
Mighty tiges zone map is of interest , as I have never seen anything like that during my times involved.
Well not as complicated.

[tdy]

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I think the problem here is it relies on their being space for players 3 and 4 to run into.  Given they start either on the other wing or in the middle, their opposite number can run with them to cover the empty wing along with them, or a defensive player can come up the ground.  Player 3 may end up in a two on one situation and if not then player 4 would probably be covered by the time player 3 gets it.  The biggest "time" problem is the long kick from player 2 to 3 as by the time the ball comes down they are probably covered. 

Though it may work if you surprised them.

[jackstar is back again]

I feel sorry for some people on here.
Can tell you the most opposition clubs set up zones that are basic.

Richmond usually go wide on the kick ins and try to use the same side of the ground, most clubs do.
Problem is that players generally are either to slow or too lazy, thus when your kicking out, you willl deviate from the game plan and go to a non-preferred receiver. All clubs have a preferred receiver .

Reason our kicks dont work as the opposition know the tiges down to a T, we dont vary it up enough. Eg Newman kicking to a short target left hand side of ground etc

On opposition kick ins,Can tell you that in the past,Richo was terrible in going to his pre determined position on opposition kicks ins, thus were usually slaughered on opposition kick ins, Schulz likewise.. Once the opposition get a free player, we get slaughtered, as was the case in the practise match on Saturday.
Why on earth didnt we have a player run with Stanton as he seemed to be the player who slaughtered us when free

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[Tigermonk]

I feel sorry for some people on here.
Can tell you the most opposition clubs set up zones that are basic.

Richmond usually go wide on the kick ins and try to use the same side of the ground, most clubs do.
Problem is that players generally are either to slow or too lazy, thus when your kicking out, you willl deviate from the game plan and go to a non-preferred receiver. All clubs have a preferred receiver .

Reason our kicks dont work as the opposition know the tiges down to a T, we dont vary it up enough. Eg Newman kicking to a short target left hand side of ground etc

On opposition kick ins,Can tell you that in the past,Richo was terrible in going to his pre determined position on opposition kicks ins, thus were usually slaughered on opposition kick ins, Schulz likewise.. Once the opposition get a free player, we get slaughtered, as was the case in the practise match on Saturday.
Why on earth didnt we have a player run with Stanton as he seemed to be the player who slaughtered us when free

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Our Ruckmen are too lazy & dont present themselves.
Our players give away too much height all over the ground to bomb it out of the backline
we dont match up well against most clubs & Bowdens not there to blame for the chip kicking which they are still doing.
Its worse now  cause they pumping it OOTF 25-30 metres out which is a free shot on goal for other clubs
to top it off most of them are no brainers & couldnot read the game for poo if there life depended on it.
we got too many one sided players

[3121]

Its just so much simpler than chipping through a zone or pin pointing a man on a lead 5 times to get it to the wing.

Easier to gain distance but has a very high possibility of losing possession. It's all about maintaining possession and that's what you'll see under Hardwick.  There's been no long bombling so far in the NAB series so Hardwick has them drilled to maintain possesion.

[tony_montana]

if the midfielders and fwds don't gut run to shake their tag to get into space no amount of footskills will help with the kick ins. weneed options down the ground, not just 1 or 2 but multiple dummy runs to open up space. There is no substitute to watching the game live, if you get a chance watch the tops teams in action and how the do selfless gut running for no possession tme and time and time again. We are simply the worst team in the afl at this (as well as running the other way) we only run hard when we KNOW we will get the ball..........selfish

[Mr Magic]

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Cool spaceship MT.

[jackstar is back again]

if the midfielders and fwds don't gut run to shake their tag to get into space no amount of footskills will help with the kick ins. weneed options down the ground, not just 1 or 2 but multiple dummy runs to open up space. There is no substitute to watching the game live, if you get a chance watch the tops teams in action and how the do selfless gut running for no possession tme and time and time again. We are simply the worst team in the afl at this (as well as running the other way) we only run hard when we KNOW we will get the ball..........selfish

Give you a tip, watch the games up high in the stand

[mightytiges]

I feel sorry for some people on here.
Can tell you the most opposition clubs set up zones that are basic.

Richmond usually go wide on the kick ins and try to use the same side of the ground, most clubs do.
Problem is that players generally are either to slow or too lazy, thus when your kicking out, you willl deviate from the game plan and go to a non-preferred receiver. All clubs have a preferred receiver .

Reason our kicks dont work as the opposition know the tiges down to a T, we dont vary it up enough. Eg Newman kicking to a short target left hand side of ground etc

The diagram was only a guide Jack. The point was it is a simple defensive zone (the opposition either man-on-man or minding space inside defensive 50, man-on-man outside 50 with a huddle about 60m out on one side where the ruckmen are).  The side defending the kick-in allow a short sideways kick to either pocket as there's no territorial or strategic gain. You're right we always go to the same side either to that pocket or a 50/50 longer kick to the huddle.  Because we go to the same side nearly every time the opposition congest that side and wait for the down the line kick while leaving the other side open. That opposite side of the ground is the one we should be exploiting. It's a simple tactic straight out of Soccer. You simply try to outflank your opposition's defence.

[mightytiges]

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Cool spaceship MT.