"This is as poor as we're going to get" - Hardwick

[Danog]

WHO THE EFF SHOULD BE PLAYING THEN, JACK?  PLEASE, ENLIGHTEN US!

Dea and Rance as so poor, you might as well play White and McMahon.
THATS HOW BAD DEA AND RANCE ARE
Play Post.
Play Browne.  ( Vickery gives nothing when we havent got the ball, runs around like a girl flapping his arms )
Theres a start.
Have some structure in the team, we have NONE after 5 mins.
Be predictable to your team mates.
Example being first option is a handball then a kick, then at least all players know whats happening.
At the moment , its a complete mess, players dont know what to do. they handball to players standing there flat footed
who is to blame,
THE COACH !

Rance deserves to keep his spot.  Post was bad for Coburg.  Browne should come in... FOR SIMMONDS.  McMahon had given up.  Pathetic player.

Give Webberley a go.

[Hellenic Tiger]

Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I.

As a kid he shows some spirit.

I remember under Wallace first gamers or  new players with a few games under their belt would kick their first goals and noone would go up to them for encouragement at least now the when it happens the kid gets congratulated from every one of the other 17 players on the ground.

A high five when your 10 goals down may seem mundane and unnecessary but if you can change the little things first and instill some sort of team ethic and spirit then it may mean something in the long run. Would rather see some encouragement in a dire circumstance than nothing.

As for the commentators is there anyone on SEN who has a good thing to say about us. It's all overanalysis anyway and is so pro Collingwood Hawthorn Geelong Bulldogs Sydney and St Kilda. Is their anyone on Foxtel 3AW or MMM that can find a silver lining in anything we have done in the last 6 months?

[WilliamPowell]

I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground

He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.

Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING

I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.

Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games

Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.

But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.

Where to begin?

Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?


Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.

I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week

[Owl]

Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I.

But these commentators, much like yourself, do nothing but crap on our team at every opportunity so I wouldn't read much into it.

[tony_montana]

we recruit 14 players, 10 cant kick.
Who do we blame for that

Martin can't kick?
Astbury is a lovely set shot puts Jack to shame.
Nason kicked two beauties today on his non preferred and after making some blues against Sydney by foot and in the first two games he has been kicking longer and more direct.

You can't put Grimes and Webberley in that category.
To be honest you can't put the skill errors of the team on the shoulders of first year players 6 games into a season.

A previous coach and admin have alot to answer for. We knew DImma's job was huge but somewhere we all hoped we would be better than this, heck even you said and this is not verbatim Jack that "we'll surprise a few sides this year". Unfortunantely Terry and his lack of any effort with his list under his tenure is killing us now. If a government is wasting resources and money and thus the economy is devalued then the fault is squarely placed on that governments policies not the incumbent government that has a huge job to rectify the problems. I blame Wallace for this not Hardwick and I'm prepared to give Hardwick those 3 years of his contract to get us going. Look at Dean Bailey's first 6 games of his tenure

Rd 1 Lost 104 Hawthorn
Rd 2 Lost 95 Bulldogs
Rd 3 Lost 30 Geelong
Rd 4 Lost 49 North Melbourne
Rd 5 Lost 43 Carlton
Rd 6 Lost 52 Brisbane.

Noone was questioning their gameplan this week rather their selection of Rivers as as opposed to adding another running player to their list. It is doom and gloom for now but things will turn around. When undertaking a total rebuild you won't go from cellar dwellers to competitive in the space of a pre season and 6 games. Everybody knows that.

 I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground
He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.
Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING

And furthemore, I blame Hardwick for the apparent lack of game plan, continually playing players out of position, EG Lids , Tuck  and Tambling ( didnt play today ).
We are going backwards as a football club, not forwards.
The lack of effort today by mosy players was TERRIBLE.
As for Vickery, a disgracefull effort.

completely disagree with astbury comment, lovely field kick, dermies seen him for the first time and makes a comment based o a couple of unforced errors

as for Nason not doing aything off the ball, what drugs are u on???? this guy puts to shame EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON OUR LIST when it comes to gut running and running off the ball. No one works harder to get into space than this guy. Pick different targets Jack

Did you go to the game ?
I did.

that's inconsequential bc you are way off on this one

btw great post WP 

[jackstar is back again]

I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground

He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.

Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING

I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.

Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games

Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.

But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.

Where to begin?

Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?


Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.

I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week

As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend.
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball.   Defensive pressure??
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.

[Ramps]

I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground

He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.

Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING

I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.

Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games

Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.

But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.

Where to begin?

Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?


Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.

I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week

As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend.
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball.   Defensive pressure??
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.

what did you want from a guy picked in the 70s in the draft Jacko? Im not saying he can play, I have question marks as well over his performance, but lets be honest, non of us were expecting him to be any good after being picked in the 70s. For where he was picked, hes doing ok I would have thought.

[WilliamPowell]

As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend.
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball.   Defensive pressure??
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.

And as I am trying to point out to you and you won't acknowledge because it doesn't suit your purpose.

This kid has played a total of 6 games, not 160, 106, 60 or even 22: he's played 6 games. And you are crucifying him over today's game.

Did he have a good game today? NO he didn't but at as I said I stand by it at least he doesn't drop his head.

To say he isn't going to make it after 6 games is laughable.

So how has his other 5 games been? You see that's where we differ I am looking not just today but on what he's done over the 6 games he has played not just today....

If you wanna take pot shots from the cheap seats then look at the more experienced blokes who didn't fire a shot today like Moore, McGuane, Morton, Jackson because last time I checked they were ever so slightly ahead of the 6 career game mark

[jackstar is back again]

As I pointed out to my fellow OER friend.
Nason refused to chase on many occassions and was more worried about his opponent then the ball carrier.
He actually run away from the opposition when they had the ball.   Defensive pressure??
This happened down the city end.
Apart from his 2 goals, thought he was average.

And as I am trying to point out to you and you won't acknowledge because it doesn't suit your purpose.

This kid has played a total of 6 games, not 160, 106, 60 or even 22: he's played 6 games. And you are crucifying him over today's game.

Did he have a good game today? NO he didn't but at as I said I stand by it at least he doesn't drop his head.

To say he isn't going to make it after 6 games is laughable.

So how has his other 5 games been? You see that's where we differ I am looking not just today but on what he's done over the 6 games he has played not just today....

If you wanna take pot shots from the cheap seats then look at the more experienced blokes who didn't fire a shot today like Moore, McGuane, Morton, Jackson because last time I checked they were ever so slightly ahead of the 6 career game mark

Make a statement now.
He shouldnt have been picked up as he way too small.
Doesnt matter if he has played 60  games.
His body and size suggests he offers little resistance when the opposition has the ball.
On what I seen today, this would be correct.
As for Jackson and Morton
As for McGaune and Moore, cant blame them if there was little pressure on the opposition ball carrier.
Also I would of thought one spare man back to assist would of been of help, considering the way the ball was coming inside there F50

[Smokey]

Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I.

But these commentators, much like yourself, do nothing but crap on our team at every opportunity so I wouldn't read much into it.

    

[jackstar is back again]

Have to laugh at Reiwoldt, kicks are goal and Hi Fives all his teamates when we ae 10 goals down.
The commentators say its laughable..
So do I.

But these commentators, much like yourself, do nothing but crap on our team at every opportunity so I wouldn't read much into it.

    

Did you go Smokey ??

[Owl]

I went today
Was listening to Dermie on SEN at the ground

He said Astburys around the ground kicking wasnt up to AFL standard which i totally agree with.

Nason, kicks goals on his opposite side but is poor on his right side, work that out, he shouldnt be playing anyway, he might have kicked 2 goals but offers NOTHING when we havent got the ball NOTHING

I went today and to say Nason offers nothing off the ball is close to the dumbest thing you have ever posted on this forum. And yes I am deadly serious. Nason has been one of the shining lights of this dismal season.

Yeah his first half was terrible but I will give that kid one thing that i cannot say about some of his more seasoned team mates and that was not once did he drop his head, he kept fighting on and as a result he kicked a couple of goals. 6 games into a career he shows some promise. He would of learnt more today playing against a team of men than he has in previous 5 games

Wanna take pot shots at players there is plenty who should be in the gun before Ben Nason.

But to sit a keyboard a crucify kids 6 games is a laughable.

Where to begin?

Let's look at Simmo first up- it is downright embarassing to see him struggling the way he is. Facts are he shouldn't be playing but he is and the question is why? Want me to go on? What about Tuck?


Now I will take a whack at the coaching staff - it was blantantly obvious to be me that the CLub conceded this game before they hit the highway and I have to say for me that is totally unacceptable.

I have no problem with blokes being tried in different positions because simply they need to weed out those who aren't up to it. Hoever, to apparantly concede at the selection table before a balls kicked in anger then the Club deserves everything they gets thrown at them this week

Gotta say Tucky actually kicked arse today WP.  He won a ton of contested ball, had 38 disposals his efficiency was good, 6 marks and so forth.  A few papers had him down as our best too.  I thought he was pretty good and that was because he was able to mix it up.

[Mr Magic]

might as well play White and McMahon.

I suppose that's your masterstroke that would have got us a win over the Cats.

[jackstar is back again]

might as well play White and McMahon.

I suppose that's your masterstroke that would have got us a win over the Cats.

At least both CAN get a kick, Dea cant even get a kick, and Rance is just HOPELESS !

[Carvels Ring]

jack i dont know why you bother polluting this place with your drivel.  why dont u crawl back up yr arse and leave us alone