"This is as poor as we're going to get" - Hardwick

[Infamy]

Nice comeback matey!   

Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum

Well get stuffed and support another team then
We don't want you any more, I'd rather have Joffa FFS
You are a cancer on the RFC

[Carvels Ring]

plus one! 

[tigerfan1961]

Nice comeback matey!   

Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum

Can truly understand where you are coming from Jack but in my opinion, you have to give Hardwick more than 6 games to make a call like that. He is trying to bring in a new game plan, and he is trying to do it with a lot of young cubs in the side- a really big ask. From before this season began, I have been of the opinion that we would be really cr@p until at least round 12-13. Nothing has happened so far that has changed my mind on this- in fact, I think it is going to take even longer perhaps??

But, there have been times in games where I have actually thought there is method in his madness and we will improve when some kids mature and we get the right structures in place. Everyone associated with following the RFC will need to be super patient for this year in particular, and probably for a large chunk of next year as well but I am prepared to give Hardwick and his coaching staff at least the three years they have been mandated to see what they can produce. St Kilda, Melbourne Carlton all had their doubters when they appointed new coaches but they are progressing now. Even Bomber Thompson was almost sacked before he got to reap the rewards of what he had done.

The biggest difference I noticed immediately the game started on Sunday was the body shapes of both sides. Geelong had hard, big seasoned bodies while we only had Ben Cousins, Shane Tuck and Troy Simmonds who were remotely close to the opposition physique. They are all young and we need their bodies to grow up to compete at stoppages. If we have the right conditioning staff, it will happen but again, it takes time.

As I said, Dimma may not be the right Coach but he deserves more than 6 rounds to show his wares!!!!!- he must be afforded the three years given to him, and a decision made thereafter on whether he is the one to lead us to Premiership Number 11. I still have faith in him at this stage

[jackstar is back again]

Nice comeback matey!   

Well, I will explain this to you, you all think we are heading in the right direction, I DONT !
So get over it, after all, it is a forum

Can truly understand where you are coming from Jack but in my opinion, you have to give Hardwick more than 6 games to make a call like that. He is trying to bring in a new game plan, and he is trying to do it with a lot of young cubs in the side- a really big ask. From before this season began, I have been of the opinion that we would be really cr@p until at least round 12-13. Nothing has happened so far that has changed my mind on this- in fact, I think it is going to take even longer perhaps??

But, there have been times in games where I have actually thought there is method in his madness and we will improve when some kids mature and we get the right structures in place. Everyone associated with following the RFC will need to be super patient for this year in particular, and probably for a large chunk of next year as well but I am prepared to give Hardwick and his coaching staff at least the three years they have been mandated to see what they can produce. St Kilda, Melbourne Carlton all had their doubters when they appointed new coaches but they are progressing now. Even Bomber Thompson was almost sacked before he got to reap the rewards of what he had done.

The biggest difference I noticed immediately the game started on Sunday was the body shapes of both sides. Geelong had hard, big seasoned bodies while we only had Ben Cousins, Shane Tuck and Troy Simmonds who were remotely close to the opposition physique. They are all young and we need their bodies to grow up to compete at stoppages. If we have the right conditioning staff, it will happen but again, it takes time.

As I said, Dimma may not be the right Coach but he deserves more than 6 rounds to show his wares!!!!!- he must be afforded the three years given to him, and a decision made thereafter on whether he is the one to lead us to Premiership Number 11. I still have faith in him at this stage

Agree

[Gigantor]

just as a side thingy..i think those hoola hoops on the geelong team tends to make them loook bigger also

[WA Tiger]

Spot on Bushie!  Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack.  The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something. 

lol, lol, very good!!

[the claw]

Spot on Bushie!  Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack.  The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something. 

sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.

geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the  enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss  it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily  because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs

ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.

the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.

yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.

yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.

[Carvels Ring]

Claw you should buy a membership and get on board mate!

[the claw]

Claw you should buy a membership and get on board mate!

this yr i considered a membership but thought better of it. the rfc will get its fair share of my hard earned in a different way as usual.

who knows next yr which will be our bottom out yr i  may get one.

[Francois Jackson]

Spot on Bushie!  Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack.  The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something. 

sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.

geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the  enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss  it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily  because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs

ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.

the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.

yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.

yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.

size is a major reason Claw. Apparently someone said we just got a weights coach this year. WTF and we have had the same fool Hornsbyt there for 5 years.

Yep he is doing a great job we have Thursfield still a tooth pick and Moore not much chop either. Polo, Edwards etc etc the list goes on.
100% spot on about bottoming out. we have another 12 to go because why? we have so mnay of the same type of players and quite frankly we cant move forarad till we release some of them. Edwards, Polo, Rance, Tambling. same players same skill.
Adding to that now we have Nahas, Farmer who in my opinion was a MASSIVE RECRUITING MISTAKE, AND King.
My Solarium has screwed us over big time and Dimma is paying for it now.

[Smokey]

it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.

I'm impressed Claw - you do know a bit about military history (a favorite subject of mine).   

[the claw]

Spot on Bushie!  Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack.  The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something. 

sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.

geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the  enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss  it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily  because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs

ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.

the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.

yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.

yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.

size is a major reason Claw. Apparently someone said we just got a weights coach this year. WTF and we have had the same fool Hornsbyt there for 5 years.

Yep he is doing a great job we have Thursfield still a tooth pick and Moore not much chop either. Polo, Edwards etc etc the list goes on.
100% spot on about bottoming out. we have another 12 to go because why? we have so mnay of the same type of players and quite frankly we cant move forarad till we release some of them. Edwards, Polo, Rance, Tambling. same players same skill.
Adding to that now we have Nahas, Farmer who in my opinion was a MASSIVE RECRUITING MISTAKE, AND King.
My Solarium has screwed us over big time and Dimma is paying for it now.

yep its a reason or even the single reason why glass half fulls like jackson get a game. simmo probably hislop whos in his 4th yr of afl i hope the club can make a decision on him this yr. tuck is probably another although tucky brings much more to the table than jackson.

if i was planning for three or four yrs time the first thing i would be doing is asking who is going to be there and why, who is not and why. with the latter the next obvious q is how many have enough positives to possibly be turned around.
based on strengths, weakness, and performance,  with age and potential upside as an over ride, the following players have to go.
but also remember we may be ,forced to keep the odd big experienced body who are deficient, because as we knew ages ago and are relearning in a hard way you cant compete without good structure and adequate size and height.
anyway those who have to go.and they can go and you would not miss them.
1 mcmahon delist.
2 polak delist.
3 white dlist.
4 simmonds retire.
5 graham delist.
6 jackson trade/delist.
7 king delist
8 thomson delist.
9 nahas delist.
10 hislop delist.
11 mcguane trade/delist.
12 tuck.delist.

thats 12 in a rough order and theres plenty others you just know will/should  join them the yr after. none of the 12 are babys they have all had a chance to prove themselves in the afl system.  for all sorts of reasons they are in the gun.

[the claw]

it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.

I'm impressed Claw - you do know a bit about military history (a favorite subject of mine).   

had no choice about it. the old man fought in ww2.learnt about that war at an early age. great uncle fought in ww1 is buried in france. another came home with only one arm. uncle jake dads brother fought in middle east  brother and in law fought in vietnam. yeah military history has played a big part in my life.

[Ramps]

Spot on Bushie!  Imagine being in the trenches with Ox and Claw and Jack.  The whistle would blow to go over the top and they'd be in the dugout whinging about breakfast or something. 

sheesh ive hardly posted over here lately.
one thing for sure i have not written off any of the younger players. the opposite ive continually called for kids to be played and for ferals everywhere to expect lots of pain for the next 2 or 3 yrs due to the lack of experienced and quality players.
i bemoan the lack of size and structure and think we should have done better managing the list.

geez i may be a fool and i may have a whinge but at least if in the trenches i would be asking for a way to get into the  enemy trench without loseing 90% of my men.
yep ignorance can be blisss  it can also be something that destroys.
i will stick by my comments that we are yet to truly bottom out. i think this because i believe we have so many glass half full types who still need to be delisted.
i also believe we cop 100 point hidings, primarily  because we lack size strength and structure its been a common theme with me for yrs

ya know in the great war millions lost their life because those in charge refused to admit the machine gun ruled the day and for 5 yrs they indifferently threw men against those guns and got nowhere.

the rfc could be analysed in a similar way the past 25 yrs.

yep im critical and will remain so but i dont just criticise i give my reasons why and try to give alternatives in most cases.

yep if i have to go into the trenches i want to know exactly what im facing and i want to know a way to achieve the objectives set out.
it seems most ferals are like haig happy to make the same mistakes over and over. happy to do the same things that get them nowhere.

size is a major reason Claw. Apparently someone said we just got a weights coach this year. WTF and we have had the same fool Hornsbyt there for 5 years.

Yep he is doing a great job we have Thursfield still a tooth pick and Moore not much chop either. Polo, Edwards etc etc the list goes on.
100% spot on about bottoming out. we have another 12 to go because why? we have so mnay of the same type of players and quite frankly we cant move forarad till we release some of them. Edwards, Polo, Rance, Tambling. same players same skill.
Adding to that now we have Nahas, Farmer who in my opinion was a MASSIVE RECRUITING MISTAKE, AND King.
My Solarium has screwed us over big time and Dimma is paying for it now.

yep its a reason or even the single reason why glass half fulls like jackson get a game. simmo probably hislop whos in his 4th yr of afl i hope the club can make a decision on him this yr. tuck is probably another although tucky brings much more to the table than jackson.

if i was planning for three or four yrs time the first thing i would be doing is asking who is going to be there and why, who is not and why. with the latter the next obvious q is how many have enough positives to possibly be turned around.
based on strengths, weakness, and performance,  with age and potential upside as an over ride, the following players have to go.
but also remember we may be ,forced to keep the odd big experienced body who are deficient, because as we knew ages ago and are relearning in a hard way you cant compete without good structure and adequate size and height.
anyway those who have to go.and they can go and you would not miss them.
1 mcmahon delist.
2 polak delist.
3 white dlist.
4 simmonds retire.
5 graham delist.
6 jackson trade/delist.
7 king delist
8 thomson delist.
9 nahas delist.
10 hislop delist.
11 mcguane trade/delist.
12 tuck.delist.

thats 12 in a rough order and theres plenty others you just know will/should  join them the yr after. none of the 12 are babys they have all had a chance to prove themselves in the afl system.  for all sorts of reasons they are in the gun.

agree with claw 100%

[Owl]

Haig was an imbecile.  He was pythonesque in his stupidity but after Haig came Monash and showed how things should be done.