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Positives from last night's game?
« on: April 05, 2010, 12:12:32 AM »
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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 12:19:04 AM »
Cotchin
Martin
Thursfield
Nason
More games into kids
Approx same margin as last year but with less senior players.. in fact take out Simmo who was WOG and the only players older than 23 were Newman & Moore (27 & 26yo)
Better effort/intensity

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2010, 12:32:38 AM »
In no particular order.

 Cotchin's game
 Martin's game
 Defensively we are doing okay and making an effort its our skills that are killing us.
 More games into kids.
 Nason was okay again.
 Some players poor performances mean we will hopefully see more kids next week.
About 48 games to go before we will really start to see the rewards of Hardwick's labour.
 McGuane showed some heart today.
 Losing by 72 points today with kids is better than Hardwick panicking after the Carlton loss and selecting Tuck McMahon and others to inject some experience that would hopefully stem the flow and the pain. This to me suggests he is sticking to his plan and he believes in it.
Next home game is another test to prove or disprove that we are further advanced than what Melbourne are.

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2010, 12:56:02 AM »
What they said.

Thoughts Connors had a real crack. Put body on the line and didn't back away. Turned the odd ball over but is gaining confidence and has one of teh better kicks in the team.
Tambling had a dip and did some flashy things, his goal that his missed would have been a really good goal.
Backline was really good IMO won the majority of contested ball in back half.
Morton looked dangerous.
Vickory had a dip without any help from our great white hope of a ruckman.
Newman improved out of sight from round 1 and did some gutsy things.
Go Tigers!

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2010, 08:27:31 AM »
I came away from that game disappointed but as I broke the game down I think there is a lot of positives from that game.

Firstly the game plan is beginning to be adopted by the team. We were great down back and our midfielders were excellent in rolling back into the D50 to clog up opportunities. Conversely, probably due to this, we struggled going forward.

Cotchin was excellent - probably the best full game I have seen him play. If he can continue to build on this his potential will be quickly realized.

Martin had an excellent game also. He made a few mistakes but his attack on the ball, ability to break through packs and out of tackles delivered from sizable WB opponents was extremely impressive. He will be a tough player to match up on in the future as he has all the skills but physical size to win the ball too. He didn't seem overawed either and is quickly accustomizing himself to the pace of the game.

Hislop was  a surprise and his attack on the ball and opponents was a shining light and example for all those around him. Had the best game I have seen him play in the yellow and black.

Thursfield had a lot of support from McGuane, Moore and others but he beat Hall hands down. He excels against leading opponents and spoils well.

Nason was much better this week and lacked the debilitating nerves he had last week. He laid some great tackles, kicked well off both sides and looked dangerous at the drop of the ball. Was unlucky not to kick of few but was push off the contest a few times dues to his size (a common problem for ALL our players!)

Post was nervous as all get out and dropped a few easy grabs but continued to present all game. His goal was excellent - nice mark followed by a long straight kick  :thumbsup

Simmonds did a good job all night. I have heard a lot of criticism of him since but he contested well and helped us win the clearances despite being beaten almost everywhere else. This has to count for something. Ran out of legs late but certainly justified him place in the team.

Connors was very good. Had 'Connor-like' brain fades a few times where he tried to take on three opponents at once or kick a pinpoint pass which was never going to work and cost us a resulting goal but overall his ball movement and footskills were excellent. Big upside to this lad if he can improve his decision making.

Newman was reasonable and kept Murphy accountable all night.

Other positives were that we did not drop our heads all night, we continued to support each other and work on the game plan. The first half of the year is going to be particularly painful but I think we will find some long terms players fro it in the end.

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2010, 08:29:47 AM »
The donuts I bought from the Van outside gate 4 were sensational.
Had 4, my daughter had 2.
Highlight of the night :thumbsup

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 08:30:28 AM »
Martin getting 8 clearances
cotchins best game in a while
thursfield & mcguane
beating the bulldogs in clearances

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2010, 08:49:43 AM »
Vickory looked a little better!

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2010, 08:51:34 AM »
Martin getting 8 clearances
cotchins best game in a while
thursfield & mcguane
beating the bulldogs in clearances

Would agree :thumbsup

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2010, 08:54:27 AM »
Cotch, Lids and Martin our midfield future

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2010, 09:13:12 AM »
I came away from that game disappointed but as I broke the game down I think there is a lot of positives from that game.

Firstly the game plan is beginning to be adopted by the team. We were great down back and our midfielders were excellent in rolling back into the D50 to clog up opportunities. Conversely, probably due to this, we struggled going forward.

Agree, and also think we need another permanent big body up forward to share the load.  Poor Jack Reiwoldt copped the 'Richo' attention last night because there was no other big-bodied threat to the defence.

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Cotchin was excellent - probably the best full game I have seen him play. If he can continue to build on this his potential will be quickly realized.

Martin had an excellent game also. He made a few mistakes but his attack on the ball, ability to break through packs and out of tackles delivered from sizable WB opponents was extremely impressive. He will be a tough player to match up on in the future as he has all the skills but physical size to win the ball too. He didn't seem overawed either and is quickly accustomizing himself to the pace of the game.

Totally agree.

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Hislop was  a surprise and his attack on the ball and opponents was a shining light and example for all those around him. Had the best game I have seen him play in the yellow and black.

The number of mistakes he makes is still a worry - he has very average kicking skills and will need to improve this by a fair margin to have any longevity in his career.

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Thursfield had a lot of support from McGuane, Moore and others but he beat Hall hands down. He excels against leading opponents and spoils well.

Wish Thursfield could do more than spoil.  He was excellent on Hall but still suffers from being a one-trick pony.  He needs to develop a run and link-up aspect to his game or his development (and career) will stagnate.  Apart from one glaring mistake McGuane was excellent, Moore was good.

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Nason was much better this week and lacked the debilitating nerves he had last week. He laid some great tackles, kicked well off both sides and looked dangerous at the drop of the ball. Was unlucky not to kick of few but was push off the contest a few times dues to his size (a common problem for ALL our players!)

Post was nervous as all get out and dropped a few easy grabs but continued to present all game. His goal was excellent - nice mark followed by a long straight kick  :thumbsup

Totally agree

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Simmonds did a good job all night. I have heard a lot of criticism of him since but he contested well and helped us win the clearances despite being beaten almost everywhere else. This has to count for something. Ran out of legs late but certainly justified him place in the team.

Struggle to agree with this one Stripes.  I thought he was the worst player on the ground by a long margin - was just as useless as Graham around the ground and got beaten in the hitouts by the Bulldogs average ruck pair.   Vickery was better and showed me for the first time some glimmer of hope that he will be ok.  I agreed with the Fox commentators re: Simmonds - put him up forward in the square permanently or get him off - his effective days as a ruckman are over.

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Connors was very good. Had 'Connor-like' brain fades a few times where he tried to take on three opponents at once or kick a pinpoint pass which was never going to work and cost us a resulting goal but overall his ball movement and footskills were excellent. Big upside to this lad if he can improve his decision making.

The biggest positive to come out of the game.  Made a few mistakes but made them taking the game on - I'll have that all day and twice on Sundays over mistakes being made going backwards.  Extremely courageous and did a lot of good things.  If he can develop a level cool head to keep his ego in check then he will make it.

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Newman was reasonable and kept Murphy accountable all night.

Yep, much improved game from our captain - I reckon he tore himself a new backside after last week's shocker.

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Other positives were that we did not drop our heads all night, we continued to support each other and work on the game plan. The first half of the year is going to be particularly painful but I think we will find some long terms players fro it in the end.

Yep, we stuck to the game plan for a lot longer and in a much better manner last night - there was definite improvement from last week even though the scoreboard might suggest otherwise.

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2010, 10:32:25 AM »

Simmonds did a good job all night. I have heard a lot of criticism of him since but he contested well and helped us win the clearances despite being beaten almost everywhere else. This has to count for something. Ran out of legs late but certainly justified him place in the team.


Struggle to agree with this one Stripes.  I thought he was the worst player on the ground by a long margin - was just as useless as Graham around the ground and got beaten in the hitouts by the Bulldogs average ruck pair.   Vickery was better and showed me for the first time some glimmer of hope that he will be ok.  I agreed with the Fox commentators re: Simmonds - put him up forward in the square permanently or get him off - his effective days as a ruckman are over.


Simmonds had the most hit outs of the game more than both of the other two WB ruckmen. I understand he was in the ruck longer than the other two but until we have someone to replace him he will need to keep taking the brunt of the ruck body work to protect the younger rucks. I guess around the ground he will be a liability but what other option do we have?

Agree completely with all your other comments especially your last comment - much better game for our future despite the score pointing in the other direction

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2010, 10:52:22 AM »

Simmonds had the most hit outs of the game more than both of the other two WB ruckmen. I understand he was in the ruck longer than the other two but until we have someone to replace him he will need to keep taking the brunt of the ruck body work to protect the younger rucks. I guess around the ground he will be a liability but what other option do we have?


Play Browne, Vickery and Graham.  Simmonds was just terrible IMHO - 15 hitouts (which most went to the opposition), 8 disposals, 0 marks.  Hudson (who I rate as average at best) had 14 hitouts (most to advantage) 16 disposals and 3 marks.  Minson (who is no better than Hudson) played most of the game up forward, had 11 hitouts, 8 disposals and took 6 marks.  The difference in impact on the game between all 3 could not have been more stark.  Yes, Simmonds might be protecting the young bodies but he is just as counter-productive by providing little link-up or support to the midfield and contests around the ground.  We are playing our good kids through the midfield but they are not going to learn anything by playing follow the leader to the opposition mids who get the ball shoved down their throats on a regular basis.  At the season start I was fully supportive and understanding of the need for Simmonds in the team but I have changed my mind after watching the reality of it.  He is not giving us enough tangible benefits by playing him - I would now go with playing all 3 talls on a rotational basis so they don't tire as much in the game and are able to compete for longer, while they learn their craft and develop working combinations with their midfield peers.

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2010, 11:09:04 AM »
Getting a bit sick of trying to find positives amongst a pile crap, really we have to stop kidding ourselves. We lost the game YET AGAIN in the first 10 minutes of the game in the first qtr. To single out half a dozen players out of 22 and say that they are our positives is a bit of a joke actually.

Our overall level of skill is shocking, the worst I have ever seen in my life, even when players standard kicks were torpedo's their level of skill was better. Our decision making was also shocking, we have no ruck, no forward set up and overall our players look like they are from the land of umpa lumpa's (very very small).

Our players are easily thrown off the ball, bumped off the ball, knocked over, out marked and generally out played.

Like I said to find half a dozen decent players out of 22 is just stupid but McGuane, Connors, Morton, Thursty and maybe a couple more were serviceable and thats about it. 

Deledio, Martin and Cotchin were smashed to pieces in the first 2 and a half qtrs, the Dogs had just about every centre clearance, it was a joke to watch. Even Hird, Healy and Taylor commented that we hadn't had a clearance and we were getting killed.

Sorry but someone had to say it and these are my thoughts. ;D

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Re: Positives from last night's game?
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2010, 11:12:45 AM »
intersting i think i counted 4 occasions where a tigers player was taken out of a contest with just a swivel of the hips of the doggies player