Team for Round 7 - Foley, Simmo, McGuane, Morton out

[Hellenic Tiger]

Mr magic if you were a recruiter from another club would you take mitch?

Of course. 

MM should be a recruiter at RFC for starters. Would be very persuasive to both suitors and other clubs.

[Mr Magic]

 

[torch]

Richmond
B: Kelvin Moore, Will Thursfield, Dean Polo
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Chris Newman
C: Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Richard Tambling
HF: Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Ben Nason
F: Graham Polak, Alex Rance, David Astbury
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Trent Cotchin, Andrew Collins
I/C: Matt White, Robin Nahas, Mitch Farmer, Jeromey Webberley
Emg: Luke McGuane, Mitch Morton, Adam Thomson*

In: Polak, Cotchin, Martin, Webberley, Tambling, White
Out: Nathan Foley (leg), Troy Simmonds (knee), Matthew Dea (foot), Ben Cousins (back)*, Luke McGuane, Mitch Morton

New: Jeromey Webberley (Clarence)

what are Richmond doing?

no second ruckmen?

drop McGuane and Morton?

Deledio still in defence?

what are they trying to do?

Adelaide are going to win!

we have no chance if we are not playing players in there positions for the future!

and we have come out and said that we are going to recruit experienced players???

why??? just draft kids and play them in there positions!

 

[Smokey]

what are Richmond doing?

no second ruckmen?

drop McGuane and Morton?

Deledio still in defence?

what are they trying to do?

Adelaide are going to win!

we have no chance if we are not playing players in there positions for the future!

and we have come out and said that we are going to recruit experienced players???

why??? just draft kids and play them in there positions!

Polak is the second ruckman.  He will be no worse than Simmonds who has been useless, he will not fumble and drop the ball like Simmonds and is a fair chance to take a few grabs.

I agree 100% with dropping Morton.  He is one of the 'older' players who should be making every post a winner, trying to lead by example, but he has been very disappointing this year.  He does not appear to have taken on much of the 'team first, defence first' mantra that Hardwick has been spruiking since day one and at this stage of his career he should be one of the first ones to 'get it'.

McGuane has had an up and down season with a disciplinary blemish and his game last week was quite poor with many mistakes.  Webberley has been knocking on the door for weeks now and deserves his chance.  Astbury showed a bit when he went down back last week so its an opportunity to give these 2 a crack down there and let McGuane go back to Coburg for a wake-up/refresher, a chance for him to have a look at his own game from a different perspective.

Deledio is still in defence because Hardwick is obviously building his initial basic game plan around defence and the run out of it.  Whether Deledio is the long term option here is not relevant, he is our best option now while the team are learning and he will continue to be until players like Webberley, Farmer, Tambling, Dea, Edwards, Rance etc prove themselves to be the best long term options.

This isn't about Polak or Morton or McGuane or Deledio or even about going all out for a win each week, its about building a team of structures, rules, plans and players for the future.  And if that doesn't satisfy our emotional need as supporters for instant gratification then that's too bad - no-one at the club has said or promised it will be any different to what it is.  Luckily, many supporters can see it for what it is and will stick because of that.

[Judge Roughneck]

i like Deledio @ CHB

[jackstar is back again]

Richmond
B: Kelvin Moore, Will Thursfield, Dean Polo
HB: Shane Tuck, Brett Deledio, Chris Newman
C: Shane Edwards, Daniel Jackson, Richard Tambling
HF: Dustin Martin, Jack Riewoldt, Ben Nason
F: Graham Polak, Alex Rance, David Astbury
Foll: Tyrone Vickery, Trent Cotchin, Andrew Collins
I/C: Matt White, Robin Nahas, Mitch Farmer, Jeromey Webberley
Emg: Luke McGuane, Mitch Morton, Adam Thomson*

In: Polak, Cotchin, Martin, Webberley, Tambling, White
Out: Nathan Foley (leg), Troy Simmonds (knee), Matthew Dea (foot), Ben Cousins (back)*, Luke McGuane, Mitch Morton

New: Jeromey Webberley (Clarence)

what are Richmond doing?

no second ruckmen?

drop McGuane and Morton?

Deledio still in defence?

what are they trying to do?

Adelaide are going to win!

we have no chance if we are not playing players in there positions for the future!

and we have come out and said that we are going to recruit experienced players???

why??? just draft kids and play them in there positions!

 

Agree

[WA Tiger]

what are Richmond doing?

no second ruckmen?

drop McGuane and Morton?

Deledio still in defence?

what are they trying to do?

Adelaide are going to win!

we have no chance if we are not playing players in there positions for the future!

and we have come out and said that we are going to recruit experienced players???

why??? just draft kids and play them in there positions!

Polak is the second ruckman.  He will be no worse than Simmonds who has been useless, he will not fumble and drop the ball like Simmonds and is a fair chance to take a few grabs.

Polak should never be considered a second ruckmen, this is where we have stuffed up, he should be at FF and played in the position he is familiar with. FFS we do this all the time, play players out of position and then bag them for not playing well. We should have had Browne in as well as Polak. Look at what playing Roughead in the ruck did to him, when will AFL clubs learn that the ruck is for ruckmen and not KPP. I am not saying you selected him for the ruck role smokey but he is not a second ruckman, he is a KPP being asked to take on a role outside his capabilities at the moment for his first game back, it's just stupid IMHO.

[tigersalive]

what are Richmond doing?

no second ruckmen?

drop McGuane and Morton?

Deledio still in defence?

what are they trying to do?

Adelaide are going to win!

we have no chance if we are not playing players in there positions for the future!

and we have come out and said that we are going to recruit experienced players???

why??? just draft kids and play them in there positions!

Polak is the second ruckman.  He will be no worse than Simmonds who has been useless, he will not fumble and drop the ball like Simmonds and is a fair chance to take a few grabs.

Polak should never be considered a second ruckmen, this is where we have stuffed up, he should be at FF and played in the position he is familiar with. FFS we do this all the time, play players out of position and then bag them for not playing well. We should have had Browne in as well as Polak. Look at what playing Roughead in the ruck did to him, when will AFL clubs learn that the ruck is for ruckmen and not KPP. I am not saying you selected him for the ruck role smokey but he is not a second ruckman, he is a KPP being asked to take on a role outside his capabilities at the moment for his first game back, it's just stupid IMHO.

I'm with you WAT.

We really needed to throw Graham or Browne in the deep end this week with Simmonds out.  Polak will get monstered by Maric and Tippett anyway so we might as well pick a young ruckman who can get some experience out of it even if they are no more competitive than Polly in that position.

And as far as what we are doing dropping players like McGuane and Morton, you could surely see they were poohouse last week and as players who should be our leaders they are lazy players.

[jackstar is back again]

Polak couldnt get a kick before the accident

[WilliamPowell]

Polak couldnt get a kick before the accident

"Before the accident" is in the past for crying out loud so let it go

What we need to deal with is the present and the future

Let's see how he goes tomorrow in Adelaide May 9th 2010 and concetrate on that rather than what happened nearly 18 months ago.

[Smokey]

Polak should never be considered a second ruckmen, this is where we have stuffed up, he should be at FF and played in the position he is familiar with. FFS we do this all the time, play players out of position and then bag them for not playing well. We should have had Browne in as well as Polak. Look at what playing Roughead in the ruck did to him, when will AFL clubs learn that the ruck is for ruckmen and not KPP. I am not saying you selected him for the ruck role smokey but he is not a second ruckman, he is a KPP being asked to take on a role outside his capabilities at the moment for his first game back, it's just stupid IMHO.

Disagree WAT.  We don't have a 2nd ruckman capable of doing the job anywhere near good enough at present so Graham and Browne are being left at Coburg to learn, improve and show a level of competence before being promoted.  In the mean time we are going to sacrifice players who are not good enough but can take the knocks - Simmonds and Polak.  We already know that Simmonds doesn't come close to holding his own any more and so it will likely be with Polak in the ruck, except that when Polak is sent forward he is more likely to present a viable option.  And if you took my point in the context of the whole post then you would know that I believe Hardwick is building. learning and teaching in small increments starting at the backline, regardless of the outcome of the game.  So whether we are competitive in the ruck or not is of little consequence and hence why I can see the reason (and agree with it) for selecting Polak over Simmonds.  It will only matter to people who can't see past winning the game.

[Chuck17]

Have to agree with Smokey.

We haven't got anything approaching a first ruckmen let alone a second.  Doesn't matter who is in there and I am not fussed with Polak given a go because from what I have seen of him this year at least he will use his big frame.

[RedanTiger]

Agree with Smokey.

IIRC the best games that Polak has played have been in the ruck, both at Freo and late last year at Coburg. So it is NOT a KPP playing ruck but a 2nd ruck, part-time as a KPP.

At Richmond, aside from his games as LMID, he has also played better as second ruck than anywhere else.

[the claw]

take the smile of your face. while he has the skill set that we lack unless he can find the ethic and work rate and ticker  he will always be how does one say it in and out of games.
well do dh this bloke needs a right royal kick up the behind to achieve anywhere near his potential.
if i was asked the question i dont know if i would take him at all.
i have to admit i have never rated him as a player and have been highly critical of how does one say it oh yeah the soft edge to him.

[eliminator]

Can see both points of view and both have been expressed very well but overall agree with Smokey