2010 Draft Discussion thread [merged]

[WilliamPowell]

Nah, you've got it all wrong WP.  It's all about the highest pick - all those tanking teams winning all those premierships can't be wrong.................................can they? 

Oops sorry smokey I forgot 

You know what ....

I wouldn't swap that feeling on Saturday night when the siren went for pick 4

it was sweet.... to see those kids win like that picks really don't matter to me because I know we are heading in the right direction 

[torch]

Pick 4  is looking very shaky 

it better not be.

Well torch if you enjoy losing more than winning and pick 4 is so important to you then perhaps you should start following the Eagles, Crows or Port

Because.....

we wont get No 4 coz we wont come bottom, get used to it

 

 

i am!

[big tone]

Nah, you've got it all wrong WP.  It's all about the highest pick - all those tanking teams winning all those premierships can't be wrong.................................can they? 

Oops sorry smokey I forgot 

You know what ....

I wouldn't swap that feeling on Saturday night when the siren went for pick 4

it was sweet.... to see those kids win like that picks really don't matter to me because I know we are heading in the right direction 

That's the reason we are where we are WP. People at the club (in the past i hope) like yourself with short minded thoughts. I enjoyed the feeling too but we need to look at the big picture not the short term rewards.
To say you wouldn't swap a win at the Gabba against a team that has won 1 in 9 games for pick 4 in a comprimised draft is just plain DUMB!!!!! Not to mentention the extra pick at the start of the second round too if we are smart!!!!!
Suck it up Tigers supporters and give the recruiters the best chance to lift this club to where it should be.

[Stripes]

Nah, you've got it all wrong WP.  It's all about the highest pick - all those tanking teams winning all those premierships can't be wrong.................................can they? 

Oops sorry smokey I forgot 

You know what ....

I wouldn't swap that feeling on Saturday night when the siren went for pick 4

it was sweet.... to see those kids win like that picks really don't matter to me because I know we are heading in the right direction 

That's the reason we are where we are WP. People at the club (in the past i hope) like yourself with short minded thoughts. I enjoyed the feeling too but we need to look at the big picture not the short term rewards.
To say you wouldn't swap a win at the Gabba against a team that has won 1 in 9 games for pick 4 in a comprimised draft is just plain DUMB!!!!! Not to mentention the extra pick at the start of the second round too if we are smart!!!!!
Suck it up Tigers supporters and give the recruiters the best chance to lift this club to where it should be.

 

[WA Tiger]

I am actually leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games. Yes the wins are great for the kids and for the supporters but in the long run is it really worth it this year??

I am on the fence with this one!!

[Smokey]

That's the reason we are where we are WP. People at the club (in the past i hope) like yourself with short minded thoughts. I enjoyed the feeling too but we need to look at the big picture not the short term rewards.
To say you wouldn't swap a win at the Gabba against a team that has won 1 in 9 games for pick 4 in a comprimised draft is just plain DUMB!!!!! Not to mentention the extra pick at the start of the second round too if we are smart!!!!!
Suck it up Tigers supporters and give the recruiters the best chance to lift this club to where it should be.

Couldn't be further from the truth if you tried.  The reason we have been no good for so long has been because of a large number of factors both on and off field and to single out a lack of high picks is a blinkered view of the highest order.  Our financial position has been precarious, our board has been splintered and misled, our football department has been under resourced and poorly chosen, our membership department has been unprofessional and misguided, our playing list has been poorly developed, our recruiting has been sub standard, our coaching has been crap etc etc etc.  Even if we had the top 3 picks every year for 5 years in a row it would have made stuff all difference to us as a club over recent years and would just have served to highlight how poor we have been in every facet of running a successful football club at AFL level.  The number of the pick doesn't matter - it's who you select with the picks you have, how you develop them that counts.  We get just that one fundamental right and we will be more successful than we could hope to believe.  Get most of the above deficiencies right and we can't possibly be anything but successful.  Tanking is a placebo for fools.

[Smokey]

I am actually leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games. Yes the wins are great for the kids and for the supporters but in the long run is it really worth it this year??

I am on the fence with this one!!

So you think we missed out by not getting pick 1 this year, and only having pick 3 instead?  Or maybe you think Fremantle should have tanked so that they had an earlier pick than #8 in the rookie draft?

[WA Tiger]

I am actually leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games. Yes the wins are great for the kids and for the supporters but in the long run is it really worth it this year??

I am on the fence with this one!!

So you think we missed out by not getting pick 1 this year, and only having pick 3 instead?

Thats not what I said smokey, I actually said I was on the fence and posed the question as well. At the moment no we haven't lost out with pick 3 but will that be the case in 5 years, time will tell.

[Smokey]

I am actually leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games. Yes the wins are great for the kids and for the supporters but in the long run is it really worth it this year??

I am on the fence with this one!!

So you think we missed out by not getting pick 1 this year, and only having pick 3 instead?

Thats not what I said smokey, I actually said I was on the fence and posed the question as well. At the moment no we haven't lost out with pick 3 but will that be the case in 5 years, time will tell.

Beg to differ WAT but "leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games" is implicit in it's support of tanking.  There is not one word  you can say to me that can convince me of any single benefit to be gained by tanking, not one.

[WA Tiger]

I am actually leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games. Yes the wins are great for the kids and for the supporters but in the long run is it really worth it this year??

I am on the fence with this one!!

So you think we missed out by not getting pick 1 this year, and only having pick 3 instead?

Thats not what I said smokey, I actually said I was on the fence and posed the question as well. At the moment no we haven't lost out with pick 3 but will that be the case in 5 years, time will tell.

Beg to differ WAT but "leaning more towards pick 4 rather than winning anymore worthless games" is implicit in it's support of tanking.  There is not one word  you can say to me that can convince me of any single benefit to be gained by tanking, not one.

I am not saying we should tank Smokey, but would I rather have the wooden spoon to get pick 4, maybe. We don't have to tank to finish bottom, there is no reason the Eagles or the Crows can't win more games than us this year. We have turned our form around as they can.

[Smokey]

I am not saying we should tank Smokey, but would I rather have the wooden spoon to get pick 4, maybe. We don't have to tank to finish bottom, there is no reason the Eagles or the Crows can't win more games than us this year. We have turned our form around as they can.

Fair enough then WAT.  I just don't buy the theory that the more early picks you have, the more successful you are likely to be, and I can't ever begin to think of wanting to win a wooden spoon just for that reason.  There are so many more factors and influences in the composition of a successful club and draft picks are only a few small pieces of that complicated jigsaw.  Tanking to get early picks gives the impression of a rebuild in progress, a future with potential, a pathway to success but it just fails the test of history over and over and over again.  It masks the myriad of reasons that are the 'real' reasons why a club is unsuccessful, and why the same clubs go back to mediocrity without ever achieving their goal.  I'll repeat what I have said many times before - when we fix all of our issues and deficiencies then we will become very successful without ever having a need to tank, and until we fix them we can only ever hope that a bandaid called tanking will fix our sucking chest wound.

[Francois Jackson]

Nah, you've got it all wrong WP.  It's all about the highest pick - all those tanking teams winning all those premierships can't be wrong.................................can they? 

Oops sorry smokey I forgot 

You know what ....

I wouldn't swap that feeling on Saturday night when the siren went for pick 4

it was sweet.... to see those kids win like that picks really don't matter to me because I know we are heading in the right direction 

That's the reason we are where we are WP. People at the club (in the past i hope) like yourself with short minded thoughts. I enjoyed the feeling too but we need to look at the big picture not the short term rewards.
To say you wouldn't swap a win at the Gabba against a team that has won 1 in 9 games for pick 4 in a comprimised draft is just plain DUMB!!!!! Not to mentention the extra pick at the start of the second round too if we are smart!!!!!
Suck it up Tigers supporters and give the recruiters the best chance to lift this club to where it should be.

 

i second that BT.

good post.

[WA Tiger]

I am not saying we should tank Smokey, but would I rather have the wooden spoon to get pick 4, maybe. We don't have to tank to finish bottom, there is no reason the Eagles or the Crows can't win more games than us this year. We have turned our form around as they can.

Fair enough then WAT.  I just don't buy the theory that the more early picks you have, the more successful you are likely to be, and I can't ever begin to think of wanting to win a wooden spoon just for that reason.  There are so many more factors and influences in the composition of a successful club and draft picks are only a few small pieces of that complicated jigsaw.  Tanking to get early picks gives the impression of a rebuild in progress, a future with potential, a pathway to success but it just fails the test of history over and over and over again.  It masks the myriad of reasons that are the 'real' reasons why a club is unsuccessful, and why the same clubs go back to mediocrity without ever achieving their goal.  I'll repeat what I have said many times before - when we fix all of our issues and deficiencies then we will become very successful without ever having a need to tank, and until we fix them we can only ever hope that a bandaid called tanking will fix our sucking chest wound.

Can see what you saying smokey, many of the best players have come from late to even later picks in the draft than pick 4. However pick 4 will at least give our recruiters first crack out of every other club (other than GC17 of course) at securing the best talent, in their opinion, for our club at that pick.

I also don't believe in tanking, never have and never will, it's cheating, but like I said we don't have to tank to finish bottom.

[Tigermonk]

Clubs look at what they are after, not always going after the player everyone thinks is the #1 Draft which for most clubs is pick #4 this year.
A club could be 1st pick of the draft & not take the best player, instead taking the best player that will fit into thier side
We know we are going to finish low so wins & confidence is alot more important to a club than the aweful feeling of a wooden spoon. l detest wooden spoons  thier is no aweful feeling & being labeled the worst team in a year. If we finish higher than the critics than thats alot better feeling all round.

More wins thanks  if they knock off Collingwood than there is nothing better in this world

[WilliamPowell]

That's the reason we are where we are WP. People at the club (in the past i hope) like yourself with short minded thoughts. I enjoyed the feeling too but we need to look at the big picture not the short term rewards.
To say you wouldn't swap a win at the Gabba against a team that has won 1 in 9 games for pick 4 in a comprimised draft is just plain DUMB!!!!! Not to mentention the extra pick at the start of the second round too if we are smart!!!!!
Suck it up Tigers supporters and give the recruiters the best chance to lift this club to where it should be.

Trust me BT the win isn't about how I feel when we win. We win, we win, we lose I don't really care as long as they are competitive.

But for me it is the pride I have when I see these kids achieve something - that's what I wouldn't swap.

For these kids to grow together they need to win together.

And I don't think that it's DUMB. Reckon it's about building something from the ground up and that's what we are doing for the frist time in god knows how long and I am enjoying the ride

And I think long term these kids; winning now is important for their development, confidence and belief.

You shouldn't lose sight of the fact we are winning games with a team of babies and the winning formula is coming predominantly from the babies not the old blokes