Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?

[Ramps]

......... & a bit of biff

   Can't take the 70's out of the old fella hey TM?

got to love running around in todays packs lol 

If you had the chance to run around in todays packs youd never get a game cause youd be suspended. Deep down you know your a thug 

[mightytiges]

Sorry I'm still on the we must finish last bandwagon. It's about the future not 2010. As Hardwick has always said this year isn't about wins and losses. Finish last while being very competitive and add more quality to our list to build a list that starts to peak in 2013 onwards and is capable of winning a premiership. That has to remain our main goal. We can't get carried away with one or two wins against out of form bottom 8 sides and divert from our long-term plan. Another mid say to join Lids (pick 1), Cotch (pick 2) and Martin (pick 3) would be great as would another KPP which you can never have too many of. It was a disgrace by those in charge last year we won more than 4 games last year  . It's also not just about pick 4 but also about our later picks as well. Finishing last with 4 wins give us picks 4, 27, 28, 45, ... In a year with GC17 hogging the draft, all early and mid-range picks are going to be worth their weight in gold.

[Infamy]

Don't think we'll have under 5 wins now

[Hellenic Tiger]

Don't think we'll have under 5 wins now

Rd 14 Sydney  MCG loss
Rd 15 Freo       ES  loss
Rd 16 Nth       possibility
Rd 17 Coll       loss
Rd 18 Adel      MCG   big chance
Rd 19 Melb     loss
Rd 20 Carl      loss
Rd 21 St K      loss
Rd 22 Port      big chance

Will get to 4 definentely as we will beat either one of the SA sides. Nth might be one of those teams at 8-8 with a % of 80 and still a chance to make finals. We play 5 teams in the 8 currently in the run home. Touch and go Infamy. I think we will win 1 of our last 9 the kids will start getting tired.

[WA Tiger]

Don't think we'll have under 5 wins now

No and do we care, NO, we are better than the the team that we wanted or some did to tank.

[Francois Jackson]

Don't think we'll have under 5 wins now

No and do we care, NO, we are better than the the team that we wanted or some did to tank.

lets see how we come up against a top 8 side which has always been our downfall. Cant match it with the big boys.

a few wins against bottom 8 clubs is something we achieve most years. Nothing new there.

We need more quality players and together with the game plan we will be right in the mix.

[mat073]

never believed in tanking, never will

thats why the saints and demons and blues will never win premierships because karma will screw them

geelong built a great team and never bottomed out

we can do the same

There you go X, Karma screwed Carltank on the weekend.

[Francois Jackson]

ill give you a few reasons why Geelong never had to bottom out, tank or whatever you wanna call it

Gary Ablett
Matthew Scarlett
Tom Hawkins

[Stripes]

Sorry I'm still on the we must finish last bandwagon. It's about the future not 2010. As Hardwick has always said this year isn't about wins and losses. Finish last while being very competitive and add more quality to our list to build a list that starts to peak in 2013 onwards and is capable of winning a premiership. That has to remain our main goal. We can't get carried away with one or two wins against out of form bottom 8 sides and divert from our long-term plan. Another mid say to join Lids (pick 1), Cotch (pick 2) and Martin (pick 3) would be great as would another KPP which you can never have too many of. It was a disgrace by those in charge last year we won more than 4 games last year  . It's also not just about pick 4 but also about our later picks as well. Finishing last with 4 wins give us picks 4, 27, 28, 45, ... In a year with GC17 hogging the draft, all early and mid-range picks are going to be worth their weight in gold.

I agree 100% MT! I hope the likes of Gale, Hardwick and co are smarter than our last years administration (yes I know they are almost the same lot) and make the early call to ensure we finish last with less than 5 wins. West Coast are already shutting up shop with players like Glass being put under the knife early to ensure they have only a threadbare list of kids to play out the year and finish down the bottom. It has been our greatest folly over the last 5 years that we haven't made the tough decisions as a club and rebuilt over consequent years but rather done a half arsed job at it. I'd rather finish down the botto of the ladder for 3 years in a row than 3 times over 6 years like we have to do now.

We need to take our medicine properly so we can actually improve rather than always sit between 16th and 9th! If we are going to win between 4 and 7 regardless of effort then I say we need to ensure that it is 4 where there is at least some benefits!

Stripes

[WilliamPowell]

Don't think we'll have under 5 wins now

Rd 14 Sydney  MCG loss
Rd 15 Freo       ES  loss
Rd 16 Nth       possibility
Rd 17 Coll       loss
Rd 18 Adel      MCG   big chance
Rd 19 Melb     loss
Rd 20 Carl      loss
Rd 21 St K      loss
Rd 22 Port      big chance

Will get to 4 definentely as we will beat either one of the SA sides. Nth might be one of those teams at 8-8 with a % of 80 and still a chance to make finals. We play 5 teams in the 8 currently in the run home. Touch and go Infamy. I think we will win 1 of our last 9 the kids will start getting tired.

Interesting Tucker

This is how I see it:

Rd 14 Sydney  MCG close loss
Rd 15 Freo       ES  chance but but close loss
Rd 16 Nth       possibility
Rd 17 Coll       loss
Rd 18 Adel      MCG   WIN
Rd 19 Melb     WIN
Rd 20 Carl      big chance - now that would be KARMA 
Rd 21 St K      loss
Rd 22 Port      WIN

[Gigantor]

ok I'm not really sure which side to take on this issue..What I would like to know is how you curtail this group of players who seem enthusiastic and eager ,from continuing on this path and suddenly put the brakes on..yes you can give players rests and promote more youngsters but wouldnt that severly disrupt this process that began pre season

[TigerTimeII]

how would u guys feel if a miracle happens and we win every game from now on, i personally would be exstatic, i know it wont happen, but winning is the best way to develop, not tanking

we should develop whatever boys we get and not worry about getting better picks, win as many games as possible

[wayne]

As I said before, if we win, we win.

Francis Jackson seems to be doing a reasonable job as recruiter and the Tigers have boosted his support staff this year with Hartley coming on board.

I'll back him to pick a gun for us, whether it be pick 4, 6, 8 or 10.

[RollsRoyce]

As I said before, if we win, we win.

Francis Jackson seems to be doing a reasonable job as recruiter and the Tigers have boosted his support staff this year with Hartley coming on board.

I'll back him to pick a gun for us, whether it be pick 4, 6, 8 or 10.

I'm with you Wayne. After the great job they did with last year's draft, I have faith in the recruiters to pick up good players with whatever picks we end up with. 'Fraid we'll have to agree to disagree on this point MT. I enjoy winning too much, and I reckon the pre-season's are too long to be looking forward to only a handful of wins every year from now until 2013.   

[the_boy_jake]

ill give you a few reasons why Geelong never had to bottom out, tank or whatever you wanna call it

Gary Ablett
Matthew Scarlett
Tom Hawkins

Spot on.

And generally other than that it was what they did with picks between 20 and 60 that got them where they are (Ling, Johnson etc)