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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #90 on: July 21, 2010, 07:19:22 PM »
Our list is better than Essendons, Port and probably WCE.

Beating top 4 sides is great and I'm all for, but a "gutsy' win out of he ordinary in the wet against a bottom 8 team doesn't have much upside long term.
I agree Popelord although I would think the Eagles are tanking. Worsfold would surely join Mark Williams in the sacked coaches club this year if they weren't and he didn't have Boardroom approval. Very suss. We'll see how they'll go this weekend against struggling Carlton at home at Subi. A win would jump them back ahead of us giving us pick 4.
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #91 on: July 22, 2010, 11:51:00 AM »
TANKING TIME!


Why do we need to deliberately loose?
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #92 on: July 22, 2010, 12:10:44 PM »
If we win by playing as many of the kids who are up for it ,I  will be happy but if we win playing guys who are injured or have a few years up and havnt got a great chance of remaining at the club in the future , I wont be happy.

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #93 on: July 22, 2010, 09:27:16 PM »
TANKING TIME!


Why do we need to deliberately loose?
Yep Dimma will send them out to win but being a young inexperienced side (especially now so many outs we are back to having a midfield unfamiliar with each other) we are unlikely to win many of our remaining games. The benefit is more and more cubs on our list gain experience which helps us long term.
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #94 on: July 22, 2010, 10:02:56 PM »
Which is not tanking
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #95 on: July 23, 2010, 12:09:30 AM »
Which is not tanking
Yep it's not tanking in the true sense of players blatantly going out and trying to lose. Some might argue though that in AFL lingo "tanking" can include experienced players with any niggle, that would/could still try and play if finals were on the line, being put into cotton wool to make sure they're 100% right for preseason training and 2011. Collingwood did it in 2005 to score Pendelbury and Thomas in the draft.
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #96 on: July 23, 2010, 12:35:48 AM »
Which is not tanking

do the thing that is like, but not tanking, then

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #97 on: July 23, 2010, 08:21:58 AM »
Which is not tanking
Yep it's not tanking in the true sense of players blatantly going out and trying to lose. Some might argue though that in AFL lingo "tanking" can include experienced players with any niggle, that would/could still try and play if finals were on the line, being put into cotton wool to make sure they're 100% right for preseason training and 2011. Collingwood did it in 2005 to score Pendelbury and Thomas in the draft.

The thing is MT, if it happened before the draft it was just smart player management. It still is smart player management, unlike RFC allowing Richo to attempt to come back late last year, which was plain stupid.

Speaking of tanking, a term that has it's basis in boxing as another way of saying taking a dive, what about the Danny Green Fiasco?

Plenty of lols there

"Green screamed at Briggs: ''You f---ing dog'' as the referee waved off the contest."

"He added soon after: ''Paul Briggs is not getting paid a cent. That is criminal, what he did. I will rise above that canine and apologise."

''I am feeling very, very angry.''

The comments left on various sites about the incident shows just how low an act people in general see tanking/diving.

Would hate to see RFC seen in this vein, even though some seem more than willing for that to happen, even if it is not deserved.

“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #98 on: July 23, 2010, 07:00:41 PM »
Which is not tanking
Yep it's not tanking in the true sense of players blatantly going out and trying to lose. Some might argue though that in AFL lingo "tanking" can include experienced players with any niggle, that would/could still try and play if finals were on the line, being put into cotton wool to make sure they're 100% right for preseason training and 2011. Collingwood did it in 2005 to score Pendelbury and Thomas in the draft.

The thing is MT, if it happened before the draft it was just smart player management. It still is smart player management, unlike RFC allowing Richo to attempt to come back late last year, which was plain stupid.

Speaking of tanking, a term that has it's basis in boxing as another way of saying taking a dive, what about the Danny Green Fiasco?

Plenty of lols there

"Green screamed at Briggs: ''You f---ing dog'' as the referee waved off the contest."

"He added soon after: ''Paul Briggs is not getting paid a cent. That is criminal, what he did. I will rise above that canine and apologise."

''I am feeling very, very angry.''

The comments left on various sites about the incident shows just how low an act people in general see tanking/diving.

Would hate to see RFC seen in this vein, even though some seem more than willing for that to happen, even if it is not deserved.



would you be happy to Wallace coach out the season, win a couple more games instead of Jake the Rake -  and missed Dustin Martin in the draft? not have Aston on the list this season or next season or the next 10years?

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #99 on: July 23, 2010, 07:44:00 PM »
How did you draw that conclusion?
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #100 on: July 23, 2010, 07:54:54 PM »
How did you draw that conclusion?

you still indulging in ths discussion al?  ;D

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #101 on: July 23, 2010, 08:00:16 PM »
better than telly  ;D
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

yaw rehto eht dellorcs ti fi daer ot reisae eb dluow tI

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #102 on: July 23, 2010, 10:11:29 PM »
Which is not tanking

do the thing that is like, but not tanking, then

Which basically means that there are almost no instances where real "tanking" occurs in the AFL.  The overwhelming majority of "tanking" accusations are made at clubs that play kids, cotton wool good players etc.
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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2010, 12:12:52 AM »
Yeah, correct Y&B.

It would be irresponsible not to do those things once you know finals are out of the question.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways my ways,” says the Lord.
 
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are my ways higher than your ways,
And my thoughts than your thoughts."

Yahweh? or the great Clawski?

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Re: Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?
« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2010, 06:15:57 PM »
Today showed why we need to finish as low on the ladder (and hence as high in draft) as possible and get access to the most talented kids available. A massive albeit not unexpected reality check.

We're on the right track given even today we got decent games out of young guys like Astbury and a pleasant return to form by Rance but our list depth is poor and we need to replace our list cloggers with more of the best young talent so in 3 years time it's us who are top 4 and dishing out the 14 goal hidings.
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