Tanking verses Belief, Structure and Faith?

[Judge Roughneck]

perhaps this thread should has been called

some crafty list management verses Belief, Structure and Faith?

[Infamy]

2 players don't win you a flag
Look at the performances they've got from their later picks, that's what won them the premiership and has set them up for the next 5-6 years or more
In fact the Pies have wasted more early picks than they've had success with

[Stripes]

2 players don't win you a flag
Look at the performances they've got from their later picks, that's what won them the premiership and has set them up for the next 5-6 years or more
In fact the Pies have wasted more early picks than they've had success with

Daisy and co certainly helped though....

[Judge Roughneck]

2 players don't win you a flag
Look at the performances they've got from their later picks, that's what won them the premiership and has set them up for the next 5-6 years or more
In fact the Pies have wasted more early picks than they've had success with

2010 Collingwood Magpies Disposals Per Game Leaders (Minimum 5 Games Played)
 Rank Name Games Average
1 Dane Swan 26 31.54
2 Scott Pendlebury 26 26.58
3 Alan Didak 24 24.58
4 Dale Thomas 26 23.96
5 Heath Shaw 23 21.26
 


collingwood have more top 10 picks than st kilda.

regardless of wha they have wasted, they won a flag on the back of tanking.

[the claw]

 supporters on  every site ive been on are  talking about how to get their hands on a below 30 pick. well we had one in our mitts and threw it away.
we should be looking at 4 and 6 this yr a pick 15 thru 26 for bling another second rounder for thursfield pick 30 47  and 64. but of course we dont need these picks and they would be of no help at all.

[tony_montana]

before the GF on saturday they were showing how many top 10 draft picks each side had. Saints had 7, pies 8(7 played).
How many do we have? 5, whichever way you look at that simple stat and where we have been for so long - well thats just criminal!!!!

in 2005 and 2006 collinwood got pendles, thomas, reid and brown, thats how successful clubs rebuild, they get a mountain of high draft picks in a short period of time and then build with and around that quality.
you still need top end quality....

but anyhow we dont need them an extra few quality players dnt help

[Penelope]

If playing kids is tanking than we tanked all year, even when winning.

Youd think that jounalist would have a better grasp of the english language, but obviously not.

[yellowandback]

If playing kids is tanking than we tanked all year, even when winning.

Youd think that jounalist would have a better grasp of the english language, but obviously not.

Playing kids is good, if we lose games through the development of the young talent then so be it.
If it gives us draft picks then at least we are re-building from the ground up with our own players learning our own style of play.
The foreign legion approach of the past 10 years has been a disaster.  It is a stupid short cut.

I would personally prefer to lose the odd extra game here and there to get an extra priority but would never knock a win every game approach.

I would never support a win an extra game here or there or be competitive by recruiting Brad Miller -  perpetuating the effing idiotic crap from Spud and Wallace and won't add anything other than deny young talent the opportunity to shine at our club.

[Penelope]

If that was the reason they were considering Miller then he would be going onto the main list, not the rookie list.
As I've said before, im sure the club has put more thought into these decisions than many of the supporters commenting on them.

[yellowandback]

If that was the reason they were considering Miller then he would be going onto the main list, not the rookie list.
As I've said before, im sure the club has put more thought into these decisions than many of the supporters commenting on them.

al, i'm not sure what you're basing that post on, other than perhaps a condescending logic.

[Penelope]

even if it is condescending, isnt logic something worth basing a post on?

[yellowandback]

even if it is condescending, isnt logic something worth basing a post on?

in the end, it's an opinion use whatever logic you like to make your point it's a free country ask our new CHF!

[Stripes]

I think in a normal uncompromised draft we would not be picking up Miller. I think the fact that the talent pool is so diluted this year (and next) is also the reason why we expect there to be such player movement this year between clubs as well.

Miller will be joining the club because their is no young player of any potential value that would outweigh the potential worth he could have to the club. He is not on the list. He will not be taking the place of a young player either in our squad or in the team. He is there to help groom the young developing players on-field at Coburg and to act as an emergency forward in the off chance our forward structure is decimated through injury.

This recruitment is not so much about his ability to improve the team through his playing ability but more-so how he can improve the team with his experience, knowledge and leadership. Have faith in what the club is trying to do.

Stripes

[FooffooValve]

before the GF on saturday they were showing how many top 10 draft picks each side had. Saints had 7, pies 8(7 played).
How many do we have? 5, whichever way you look at that simple stat and where we have been for so long - well thats just criminal!!!!

in 2005 and 2006 collinwood got pendles, thomas, reid and brown, thats how successful clubs rebuild, they get a mountain of high draft picks in a short period of time and then build with and around that quality.
you still need top end quality....

but anyhow we dont need them an extra few quality players dnt help

How do you figure 5? That's a furphy. The way I see it we had 8: Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Polak, Riewoldt, Vickery, Tambling & Cousins.

Then factor in Ottens, Pettifer, Meyer, Pattison and Oakley Nicholls — all 1st round picks who are either playing elsewhere right now or retired from AFL but could still be playing. I might have forgotten a few as well!

That's 13 1st rounders in the last 10 years or so, and people still sit here and carp on about quality and tanking and that's the only way forward etc.

It's rubbish. Complete rubbish.

[tony_montana]

before the GF on saturday they were showing how many top 10 draft picks each side had. Saints had 7, pies 8(7 played).
How many do we have? 5, whichever way you look at that simple stat and where we have been for so long - well thats just criminal!!!!

in 2005 and 2006 collinwood got pendles, thomas, reid and brown, thats how successful clubs rebuild, they get a mountain of high draft picks in a short period of time and then build with and around that quality.
you still need top end quality....

but anyhow we dont need them an extra few quality players dnt help

How do you figure 5? That's a furphy. The way I see it we had 8: Cotchin, Deledio, Martin, Polak, Riewoldt, Vickery, Tambling & Cousins.

Then factor in Ottens, Pettifer, Meyer, Pattison and Oakley Nicholls — all 1st round picks who are either playing elsewhere right now or retired from AFL but could still be playing. I might have forgotten a few as well!

That's 13 1st rounders in the last 10 years or so, and people still sit here and carp on about quality and tanking and that's the only way forward etc.

It's rubbish. Complete rubbish.

Umm  how many do we have on our list moving fwd?    
Ottens, Meyer, Pattison, JON, Polak, Cousins wtf?  read my post properly (TOP 10 PICKS ON OUR LIST) before calling it rubbish mate, you have clearly missed the point!