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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2010, 09:00:28 AM »

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th

Wow, is this what a real "supporter" wants - to see us stay on the bottom rather than where we really sit on the ladder?

The Richmond players are improving in leaps and bounds.

Can't say the same about some of the long term knockers can we Dan?

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2010, 09:10:10 AM »

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th

Wow, is this what a real "supporter" wants - to see us stay on the bottom rather than where we really sit on the ladder?

The Richmond players are improving in leaps and bounds.

Can't say the same about some of the long term knockers can we Dan?

I never said they werent improving, read my posts re: Tackling 1%. Never seen a Tiger team more aggressive since the Northey era

Finishing 9th means we are ready to make finals and i dont believe we are yet.

We need to trim down the list and recruit more kids and one more year will do the trick.

i dont want to finish 9th and think we are better than what we are and go down the same path as we have in previous years

As i said until we win games without the help of Jack then i will say we deserve to finish in or near the final 8, but if Jack goes down tomorrow we will struggle to win another game. When Griffiths and Astbury start nailing 2 or 3 goals with midfielders chipping in then we are a complete unit.

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2010, 09:18:51 AM »
It was a great win.

The most pleasing thing for me though  ;D is reading all the Essendon supporters saying that they should have gotten Hardwick and seeing the Demons fans saying that what they really need is Jack Riewoldt!
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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2010, 09:46:24 AM »
Best win since 2001.

We had some good wins in 05 when Browny was on fire....But this beats them all.

lol at all the pro tankers jumping ship.

lol at the Pro Rawlings for coach jumping ship. goes both ways pal.

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th but if we produce results against "quality"  like yesterday then im all for it.






 I was pro rawlings and maybe matt and few others were too but i guess what we have done is given Hardwick our full support and not slagged him off when things did not good in the first 9 rounds! I am proud to be wrong if you know what i mean? Oh, i believe Rawlings started the process that Dimma is on anyway!

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2010, 09:53:25 AM »
Best win since 2001.

We had some good wins in 05 when Browny was on fire....But this beats them all.

lol at all the pro tankers jumping ship.

lol at the Pro Rawlings for coach jumping ship. goes both ways pal.

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th but if we produce results against "quality"  like yesterday then im all for it.






 I was pro rawlings and maybe matt and few others were too but i guess what we have done is given Hardwick our full support and not slagged him off when things did not good in the first 9 rounds! I am proud to be wrong if you know what i mean? Oh, i believe Rawlings started the process that Dimma is on anyway!

now your having a lend of us richo. takingt he pee 100%.  :lol

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2010, 10:24:52 AM »
I haven't looked at his stats but I thought it was Mitch Farmer's best game for us yesterday - I'm starting to see some real potential there.

Agree 100%. He has taken some time to get there but abviously he has been doing what the coaches have asked him to do every week or he would of not been in the side.

Great win. I recorded it for a change and before the game said "I want to keep this game in case its one for the ages" and it was. 33 point fight backs by a Tigers team, I honestly cant remember when we last saw that.

I have watched a few of the Rising stars from last year and second year seems to be tougher for some of them. This means our results (wins) might not be there next year either but as long as they stick with the plan I think we will be there abouts the year after.

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2010, 10:53:58 AM »
Best win since 2001.

We had some good wins in 05 when Browny was on fire....But this beats them all.

lol at all the pro tankers jumping ship.

lol at the Pro Rawlings for coach jumping ship. goes both ways pal.

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th but if we produce results against "quality"  like yesterday then im all for it.






 I was pro rawlings and maybe matt and few others were too but i guess what we have done is given Hardwick our full support and not slagged him off when things did not good in the first 9 rounds! I am proud to be wrong if you know what i mean? Oh, i believe Rawlings started the process that Dimma is on anyway!

now your having a lend of us richo. takingt he pee 100%.  :lol
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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2010, 12:19:55 PM »
Bentleigh is 100% correct tanking is dead and buried. Its now about list management playing the kids and whatever happens happens.

A win like that against "Quality" sides is whats it all about although like TM i will wont start getting excited till i see genuine improvement this round next year.


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gee that's funny because I have been saying for weeks just let the kids play and if we win, we win and if lose as long as we are competitive that's all that matters.

In other words whatever happens, happens and I was called an idiot (not by you daniel  :thumbsup)

I was said to be deluded like so many other Richmond supporters because I supposedly over rate our list.

It isn't about over rating the list it is all about these kids and seeing them playing together, winning together and more importantly playing for each other - that's what this year is and has always been about and whatever happens; happens  

And Collo WP??? Have you changed your opinion on him yet? Surely he must be close to making you crack a bit of a smile!  ;D

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2010, 12:48:00 PM »
Best win since 2001.

We had some good wins in 05 when Browny was on fire....But this beats them all.

lol at all the pro tankers jumping ship.

lol at the Pro Rawlings for coach jumping ship. goes both ways pal.

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th but if we produce results against "quality"  like yesterday then im all for it.






 I was pro rawlings and maybe matt and few others were too but i guess what we have done is given Hardwick our full support and not slagged him off when things did not good in the first 9 rounds! I am proud to be wrong if you know what i mean? Oh, i believe Rawlings started the process that Dimma is on anyway!

now your having a lend of us richo. takingt he pee 100%.  :lol
You are all over me Ramps :lol

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2010, 12:48:27 PM »
Best win since 2001.

We had some good wins in 05 when Browny was on fire....But this beats them all.

lol at all the pro tankers jumping ship.

lol at the Pro Rawlings for coach jumping ship. goes both ways pal.

i would still prefer to finish near the bottom than 9th or 10th but if we produce results against "quality"  like yesterday then im all for it.






 I was pro rawlings and maybe matt and few others were too but i guess what we have done is given Hardwick our full support and not slagged him off when things did not good in the first 9 rounds! I am proud to be wrong if you know what i mean? Oh, i believe Rawlings started the process that Dimma is on anyway!

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2010, 01:17:47 PM »
And Collo WP??? Have you changed your opinion on him yet? Surely he must be close to making you crack a bit of a smile!  ;D

Got no problem with young Collo tiga - think he has some real upside but like all kids he needs to improve on certain things.

The question is how long do you give them to improve?

I actually said to someone this morning maybe he should get a whack to the head before every game as he was a different players (attack on the footy wise) after he was knocked out  ;D
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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2010, 07:29:51 PM »
Great win wasnt it, only found the score out after the game Sunday evening when I phoned the wife. Cant wait to see the replay when I get home.
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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2010, 08:15:27 PM »
I think we've all waited to see the little things change before getting too excited. We can all see it's obvious that Hardwick has them playing for the jumper and for each other. Even heard Brereton say that on radio the other day.
The little things you notice like the whole team congratulating Jack when he kicked 10, the shepherds which we never saw under Wallace and The tackling. Isn't it great.
Most pleasing is the development. You can see improvement from everyone and yes I have even see an improvement in Farmer. Let's hope it all continues.
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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2010, 09:05:28 PM »

While I would prefer to finish down the bottom this year, I never want us to stop fighting and playing in the manner we are at present.


Can't have your cake and eat it too Stripes.  That's what the pro-tankers just don't get - the importance of learning and knowing how to win, how to do the little things that make the difference in games, the things that have set the Sydney and Geelongs apart over the years - the winning 'culture'.  You might not like the term 'culture' but it means no compromises, no shortcuts, no second bests from everyone involved - the players, the coaches, the boot studders.  You can't have that and tank, and you can't tank and form winning cultures.

No you can't have your cake and eat it too Smokey - so if we come 9th and our first pick is 16, we end up with a wasted draft and we find the best we can ever achieve is a couple of quick finals visits before dropping back down again - I hope the anti-tankers remember that they thought a couple of extra wins at the end of the year was worth it.  :shh

You speak of the importance of learning and knowing how to win, how to do the little things in games and creating a 'winning culture' as the most important steps to our future success. I agree...almost  :P  I believe the players need to always fight and strive to win and to learn to do the little things but this can be achieved without winning every game. Would you argue that the Hawks game was not he most important game for us this year yet we didn't win. So is every loss a waste or can they be just as valuable to the growth of the players and team as a win? Which was more valuable, the West Coast win or the Hawthorn loss?

A winning 'culture' is not created from winning but from learning and fighting to win. Anti-tankers don't seem to get it - we are developing, transforming and building for a premiership, not a few meaningless wins or even a finals appearance. To quote you smokey - it means no compromises, no shortcuts, no second bests from everyone involved - the players, the coaches, the boot studders, it means focusing on the big picture and wins don't necessarily equate to a winning culture no more than losses makes teams develop a losing one. 

I'm as excited about every win this year as anyone, probably more than most for my son's sake, but I want the wins to last and I want us to win a flag and at present we just don't have the cattle to achieve that. We need to draft well and the better picks we get the better our chance of accomplishing this. I'm sick of the yo-yo ladder rises and falls from year to year - I want to be a consistent contender not a consistent under achiever and if that means a few extra loses this year then that's a pill I'm willing to swallow.

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Re: Courageous win!
« Reply #74 on: July 05, 2010, 10:21:54 PM »

While I would prefer to finish down the bottom this year, I never want us to stop fighting and playing in the manner we are at present.


Can't have your cake and eat it too Stripes.  That's what the pro-tankers just don't get - the importance of learning and knowing how to win, how to do the little things that make the difference in games, the things that have set the Sydney and Geelongs apart over the years - the winning 'culture'.  You might not like the term 'culture' but it means no compromises, no shortcuts, no second bests from everyone involved - the players, the coaches, the boot studders.  You can't have that and tank, and you can't tank and form winning cultures.

No you can't have your cake and eat it too Smokey - so if we come 9th and our first pick is 16, we end up with a wasted draft and we find the best we can ever achieve is a couple of quick finals visits before dropping back down again - I hope the anti-tankers remember that they thought a couple of extra wins at the end of the year was worth it.  :shh

You speak of the importance of learning and knowing how to win, how to do the little things in games and creating a 'winning culture' as the most important steps to our future success. I agree...almost  :P  I believe the players need to always fight and strive to win and to learn to do the little things but this can be achieved without winning every game. Would you argue that the Hawks game was not he most important game for us this year yet we didn't win. So is every loss a waste or can they be just as valuable to the growth of the players and team as a win? Which was more valuable, the West Coast win or the Hawthorn loss?

A winning 'culture' is not created from winning but from learning and fighting to win. Anti-tankers don't seem to get it - we are developing, transforming and building for a premiership, not a few meaningless wins or even a finals appearance. To quote you smokey - it means no compromises, no shortcuts, no second bests from everyone involved - the players, the coaches, the boot studders, it means focusing on the big picture and wins don't necessarily equate to a winning culture no more than losses makes teams develop a losing one. 

I'm as excited about every win this year as anyone, probably more than most for my son's sake, but I want the wins to last and I want us to win a flag and at present we just don't have the cattle to achieve that. We need to draft well and the better picks we get the better our chance of accomplishing this. I'm sick of the yo-yo ladder rises and falls from year to year - I want to be a consistent contender not a consistent under achiever and if that means a few extra loses this year then that's a pill I'm willing to swallow.

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