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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2010, 09:24:47 AM »

i would prefer a Pelchen who shows consistency each year in his recruits.

Since 2004 Rioli is the only win he's had and they've had heaps of early picks.

#3 Ellis - dud - Missed Kennedy or Pendlebury
#6 Thorp - dud. delisted. - Missed Selwood or Riewoldt
#6 Dowler - dud - Missed Ryder, Clark or Higgins
#14 Birchall - meh
#22 Muston - dud
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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2010, 09:43:38 AM »

i would prefer a Pelchen who shows consistency each year in his recruits.

Since 2004 Rioli is the only win he's had and they've had heaps of early picks.

#3 Ellis - dud - Missed Kennedy or Pendlebury
#6 Thorp - dud. delisted. - Missed Selwood or Riewoldt
#6 Dowler - dud - Missed Ryder, Clark or Higgins
#14 Birchall - meh
#22 Muston - dud


They had the biggest win of all. A FLAG
they won in part through the list management efforts of Pelchen or did you forget that.
Birchall???
Dew??? helped them win a flag
Roughead??
Buddy??
Ellis- dud well he is a premiership player and still a regular so not sure what you mean there

but above all else we look like idiots trading away for players like mclovin, thompson, hislop, Bowdens etc etc while the hawks well correct me if im wrong never traded away any of their picks in the last 5 years except for last. The picks they collected from Thomspon helped win them a flag.

thats part of ther reason they won a flag while we held onto duds for too long. see Petrified and many others.
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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2010, 11:15:05 AM »

..... - but I think we've got the right bloke calling out the names.

Not according to some 'experts' on here who were screaming for his head earlier this season, blaming him for every bad recruiting decision since Lounder.

And while we're at it, let's blame Jackson for WW's I and II, the Bubonic Plague, 9/11, famine in Africa and every other ill that has ever befallen the world.  What's that you say?  He wasn't around when that all happened?  Doesn't appear to matter on here.

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2010, 01:32:12 PM »
and rightly so he deserved all the criticism he got and still does.

i would prefer a Pelchen who shows consistency each year in his recruits.

FJ has got a few right here or there but nothing special. The Cotchins and Martins were no brainers its your later picks that you get judged on and mistakes like Mclovin and Thomson can ruin your chances at success


daniel, do you understand that Franics Jackson's job is recruiting

It is not trading away draft picks

To align Francis Jackson with the decisions to trade away picks for McMahon & Thomson is simply ridiculous.

Facts is he had absolutely nothing to do with those decisions. Those decisions were made by the coach & the head of the footy departmert not the bloody Recruting Manager. If Jackson had have had any say in keeping or trading the pick we gave away for Jordie you'd see Joel Selwood running around for Richmond now (FACT)

And just on your "nothing special" comment are you now saying you don't rate Connors or Collins and don't think they will develop into decent players for this club?
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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2010, 01:37:40 PM »
Actually, someone mentioned carl peterson as another astute pick. Sure, he didn't turn out here but you can't fault him for spotting the ability.

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2010, 03:08:43 PM »
and rightly so he deserved all the criticism he got and still does.

i would prefer a Pelchen who shows consistency each year in his recruits.

FJ has got a few right here or there but nothing special. The Cotchins and Martins were no brainers its your later picks that you get judged on and mistakes like Mclovin and Thomson can ruin your chances at success


daniel, do you understand that Franics Jackson's job is recruiting

It is not trading away draft picks

To align Francis Jackson with the decisions to trade away picks for McMahon & Thomson is simply ridiculous.

Facts is he had absolutely nothing to do with those decisions. Those decisions were made by the coach & the head of the footy departmert not the bloody Recruting Manager. If Jackson had have had any say in keeping or trading the pick we gave away for Jordie you'd see Joel Selwood running around for Richmond now (FACT)

And just on your "nothing special" comment are you now saying you don't rate Connors or Collins and don't think they will develop into decent players for this club?

no way.

2007 draft at this stage looks to be pour bext draft in the last 10 years

Connors and Collins are going to be great players for our club.

also i dont believe Jackson had absolutely nothing to do with player selection such as those above. I dont buy it
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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2010, 03:27:35 PM »
Facts is he had absolutely nothing to do with those decisions. Those decisions were made by the coach & the head of the footy departmert not the bloody Recruting Manager. If Jackson had have had any say in keeping or trading the pick we gave away for Jordie you'd see Joel Selwood running around for Richmond now (FACT)

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2010, 04:48:07 PM »
Facts is he had absolutely nothing to do with those decisions. Those decisions were made by the coach & the head of the footy departmert not the bloody Recruting Manager. If Jackson had have had any say in keeping or trading the pick we gave away for Jordie you'd see Joel Selwood running around for Richmond now (FACT)

Scott Selwood?

Which ever one of the Selwoods was in the same draft as Rance is the one I mean  :P

also i dont believe Jackson had absolutely nothing to do with player selection such as those above. I dont buy it

If that's the case then you really don't understand what Jackson's job entails or you clearly don't want too because it doesn't suit your argument.

Because I can tell you he has no input into who we trade for and what we trade away. He's input is in who we recruit based on the wish list otf player type the Footy Department wants

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2010, 06:54:50 PM »
They had the biggest win of all. A FLAG
they won in part through the list management efforts of Pelchen or did you forget that.
Birchall???
Dew??? helped them win a flag
Roughead??
Buddy??
Ellis- dud well he is a premiership player and still a regular so not sure what you mean there

Sorry to let facts ruin your little rant, but Pelchen wasn't at Hawthorn when they picked up Roughead, Franklin & Lewis
He also was furious that Clarkson over ruled him and wanted Stuart Dew, he wanted nothing to do with that selection
So by your list, the only ones he can take credit for are Birchall & Ellis, not the best hit rate given the picks they've had

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2010, 08:32:49 PM »
Dea was born in 1991 and u happy to write him off?

yes, played 6 games , has he kicked the ball in any of those games ? ::)

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2010, 08:49:04 PM »
Dea was born in 1991 and u happy to write him off?

yes, played 6 games , has he kicked the ball in any of those games ? ::)
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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2010, 04:39:02 AM »
How is Troy Taylor going at Coburg ?
Does anyone think he will make it at AFL level?
Taylor in the past week or so returning to playing after doing his medial ligament. He played in the VFL ressies last week. I think he kicked 2 goals. Another Daniel Connors in that it's above the shoulders that will decide whether he makes it at AFL level. He has heaps of natural footy ability but as we know he's got a court case hanging over his head.

Facts is he had absolutely nothing to do with those decisions. Those decisions were made by the coach & the head of the footy departmert not the bloody Recruting Manager. If Jackson had have had any say in keeping or trading the pick we gave away for Jordie you'd see Joel Selwood running around for Richmond now (FACT)

Scott Selwood?

Which ever one of the Selwoods was in the same draft as Rance is the one I mean  :P
You're right WP it was Scott Selwood. He's running around in a #10 guernsey for the Eagles. FJ loved him as a junior footballer but the powers that be at the time didn't believe Rance and Selwood would last picks 18 and 19 and so pick 19 was traded to the Dogs (literally and metaphorically) for Jordie  :scream.
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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2010, 04:59:10 AM »
Here's the actual 2006 drafting period

Trade Week:
Gained: Graham Polak, Pick #13, Pick #63 (which became Pick #60 after list lodgements)
Gave up: Picks #8 (Ben Reid) and #42 (Bachar Houli)

National Draft:
13. Jack Riewoldt
26. Shane Edwards
58. Daniel Connors
60. Carl Peterson
73. Andrew Collins
84. Pass

Pre-Season Draft
6. Kent Kingsley

Rookie Draft
8. Tasman Clingan
24. Jake King

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_AFL_Draft

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Re: 2006 Draft - Hats off to Francis Jackson (RFC)
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2011, 07:04:39 PM »
^

plus Grigg (19), Hislop (20), Houli (42).