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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #90 on: August 04, 2010, 05:45:50 AM »
as it doesnt happen at Punt Rd so why bother discussing it.
look how Carlton is travelling. move on
Carlton couldn't and can't make up their mind whether they are in rebuild mode or finals mode. They gave up too much for Judd in hindsight and then stupidly topped up with McLean for pick 12 and guys like Hadley and Chris Johnson. They really need Henderson to come on as they have no tall forward targets to kick to when under pressure and to straighten them up. No guarantee Kreuzer will be 100% right next year coming back from an ACL. Hopefully we gain some sweet revenge come Thursday night, round 1 next year when the 4 points will matter to us.
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #91 on: August 04, 2010, 05:51:17 AM »
No they won't because here's the difference..... Notice how clubs like carlton and melboure did it 2-3 years in a row making sure they won less than the required games to get a couple of PP's including an extra top end draft pick in year 2? We on the other hand win more than 4 last season and do it again this season. You just have to lol a the stupidity  :banghead, tell me again what possible benefit did we get out of winning more than 4 gams last season? was it the fact we blew a golden gimme opportunity to land a player like BASTINAC for free? Looking at where we are at this season on 5 wins, whts the difference if we finished on 4 wins and land picks 4 and 6? I can guarantee Hawthorn, Carlton and melboure would have manufactured it to turn out this way, I mean we are in rebuild mode anyhow for FFS and will only win 10-11 games over these 2 seasons anyhow, so just make it 8 and get yourself an extra couple of potential A-graders. End of issue and then we have the cattle to start moving on up the ladder once and for all.
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #92 on: August 05, 2010, 08:35:21 AM »
as it doesnt happen at Punt Rd so why bother discussing it.
look how Carlton is travelling. move on
Hopefully we gain some sweet revenge come Thursday night, round 1 next year when the 4 points will matter to us.

Rubbish.Hopefully we beat Carlton and Melbourne over the next two weeks, and not only have the pleasure of kicking them both out of finals contention, but proving once and for all that despite all their tanking we still have the better list.

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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #93 on: August 05, 2010, 12:02:14 PM »
Tanking or no Tanking if you don't develop players properly and have decent list management you go nowhere.

Saints tank and with a side that lacks or has no pace, looks thin.
Carlton develope no forward line around Fev, thus have no forward line and will go nowhere.

You can tank all you want but if you don't a) get your picks right b) draft well late in the draft and develop C and D grade talent into B grade talent you'll go nowhere.
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #94 on: August 05, 2010, 12:51:35 PM »
A bit like the chicken and the egg debate Pope - which is the more important the drafting or the development. I say both. You need the talent first through the draft and then you need to teach them. Sounds simple but as history has shown us it is far from it. First you have to draft well with depth in mind and potential as a priority. Then you have to first educate the players in the fundamentals/non-negotiables that are the difference between a average battler and a good AFL player. Beyond that the game plan, structures and team rules must be drilled into the player.

So foremost you need the talent to work with and to achieve that you need to draft well. A good player can be developed into a very good player and a very good player into a excellent player but a poor player can't be developed much further than average regarless of the time and quality education invested into them. Collingwood has been excellent at developing what they have got because of the sheer amount of money they have to invest in development and facilities. Similiarly, few sides have the copious amount of recruiters Collingwood has either to use the draft to the best ability they can. We have only just joined the rest of the field in both area thiyear.

So, quality raw talent and young players of character is the first step. Developing is next.

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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #95 on: August 07, 2010, 10:48:22 PM »
We're back down to 15th - pick 6.
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #96 on: August 07, 2010, 10:52:21 PM »
Yep it looks like we'll end up with either pick 6 or 8.

West Coast odds on for the wooden spoon after losing at home to Brisbane  ::). Guess who wants a priority pick.

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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #97 on: August 07, 2010, 11:04:20 PM »
whoever lost that game was always going to be accused of tanking :whistle
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #98 on: August 07, 2010, 11:16:36 PM »
Was hoping for a draw in that game

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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #99 on: August 07, 2010, 11:33:42 PM »
whoever lost that game was always going to be accused of tanking :whistle
Brisbane had nothing to play for; the Eagles however would've lost the PP if they had won.
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #100 on: August 08, 2010, 07:05:20 AM »
whoever lost that game was always going to be accused of tanking :whistle
Brisbane had nothing to play for; the Eagles however would've lost the PP if they had won.

so Mitch Brown deliberately fell over and the umpire was an eagles fan!
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #101 on: August 10, 2010, 02:14:24 AM »
whoever lost that game was always going to be accused of tanking :whistle
Brisbane had nothing to play for; the Eagles however would've lost the PP if they had won.

so Mitch Brown deliberately fell over and the umpire was an eagles fan!
Well Jordie didn't deliberately kick that goal last year to do Melbourne a draft favour but that didn't mean the Dees weren't tanking and the coaching staff weren't making dodgy moves trying to lose that game.  Melbourne sure ain't regretting that decision now nor has losing over the past few years installed a losing mentality in the players as anti-tankers like the claim. The Dees have used the draft system to the max. to build a talented young list and are now on the way up. Too bad we miss out on a top 20 and then a top 4 draft pick for a measely 3.5 irrelevant extra wins over 2 years  :P.
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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #102 on: August 10, 2010, 10:17:14 AM »

Well Jordie didn't deliberately kick that goal last year to do Melbourne a draft favour but that didn't mean the Dees weren't tanking and the coaching staff weren't making dodgy moves trying to lose that game.  Melbourne sure ain't regretting that decision now nor has losing over the past few years installed a losing mentality in the players as anti-tankers like the claim. The Dees have used the draft system to the max. to build a talented young list and are now on the way up. Too bad we miss out on a top 20 and then a top 4 draft pick for a measely 3.5 irrelevant extra wins over 2 years  :P.

Nonsense. If you make a "decision" to tank, and then leave everything on the boot of an opposition player, how committed to tanking are you?

Melbourne's re-emergence has been on the back of good drafting, courageous trading (or at least more courageous than us) good coaching and great board management.

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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #103 on: August 10, 2010, 10:26:59 AM »

Well Jordie didn't deliberately kick that goal last year to do Melbourne a draft favour but that didn't mean the Dees weren't tanking and the coaching staff weren't making dodgy moves trying to lose that game.  Melbourne sure ain't regretting that decision now nor has losing over the past few years installed a losing mentality in the players as anti-tankers like the claim. The Dees have used the draft system to the max. to build a talented young list and are now on the way up. Too bad we miss out on a top 20 and then a top 4 draft pick for a measely 3.5 irrelevant extra wins over 2 years  :P.

Nonsense. If you make a "decision" to tank, and then leave everything on the boot of an opposition player, how committed to tanking are you?

Melbourne's re-emergence has been on the back of good drafting, courageous trading (or at least more courageous than us) good coaching and great board management.

Melbourne had players out of position all over the field and were resting their best ball users for the last portion of the game. The vision of their coach in the dieing minutes when they were on top was angry and upset and he actually left the box before Jordy took the mark and kicked the goal such was his disgust. The Melbourne players were fighting for the win despite the coaches and administrations efforts.

The sad fact is we were desperate to win that game yet only won by a kick after the siren against a team which was coached to lose. Who desperved the priority pick more then.  :banghead

We just don't play the system while up and coming teams such as the Dees have and will be ahead of us as a result for years to come. At least we'll have our pride though.... :help

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Re: Almost guaranteed now a top 8 pick
« Reply #104 on: August 12, 2010, 01:03:03 AM »

Well Jordie didn't deliberately kick that goal last year to do Melbourne a draft favour but that didn't mean the Dees weren't tanking and the coaching staff weren't making dodgy moves trying to lose that game.  Melbourne sure ain't regretting that decision now nor has losing over the past few years installed a losing mentality in the players as anti-tankers like the claim. The Dees have used the draft system to the max. to build a talented young list and are now on the way up. Too bad we miss out on a top 20 and then a top 4 draft pick for a measely 3.5 irrelevant extra wins over 2 years  :P.

Nonsense. If you make a "decision" to tank, and then leave everything on the boot of an opposition player, how committed to tanking are you?

Melbourne's re-emergence has been on the back of good drafting, courageous trading (or at least more courageous than us) good coaching and great board management.

Melbourne had players out of position all over the field and were resting their best ball users for the last portion of the game. The vision of their coach in the dieing minutes when they were on top was angry and upset and he actually left the box before Jordy took the mark and kicked the goal such was his disgust. The Melbourne players were fighting for the win despite the coaches and administrations efforts.

The sad fact is we were desperate to win that game yet only won by a kick after the siren against a team which was coached to lose. Who desperved the priority pick more then.  :banghead

We just don't play the system while up and coming teams such as the Dees have and will be ahead of us as a result for years to come. At least we'll have our pride though.... :help
I don't think we even kept our pride that day knowing Melbourne did all they could to lose the game that day. The lack of emotion from Craig Cameron and Rawlings standing up in the coaches box as Jordie's kick went through for a goal pretty much summed it up for me. I know I've never felt so embarrassed after a win while Demon fans were fist pumping and singing our theme song :P.

I do agree with one thing FFV said. Melbourne were smart at trading (McLean for pick 11). Unfortunately for us other clubs haven't rated any of our players anywhere near worth a first round pick outside of the few quality footballers that were our untouchables. It would be very handy for us if there are some clubs out there this year still very desperate for a key defender at any cost.
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