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Re: One substitute & 3 interchange in for 2011
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2011, 10:35:16 PM »
all we need now is for the afl to get some real balls take it back to 2 interchange and 2 subs and say hello to contested footy again.

You have never spoken a more wise word Claw. :thumbsup

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Re: One substitute & 3 interchange in for 2011
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2011, 05:27:15 PM »
all we need now is for the afl to get some real balls take it back to 2 interchange and 2 subs and say hello to contested footy again.

You have never spoken a more wise word Claw. :thumbsup

Completely agree. The AFL only increased the bench size at the urging of Sheedy when he had depth to burn in his squad and wanted to expose other teams for bredth of talent. It all comes down to how we want the game to be played and I don't think there are many spectators out there supporting any rules that assist teams in defensive tactics that prevent the best elements of the game being utilized less. When the game game turns into scrums, errors, chip kicking and endless stoppages over one on one contests, high marking, run and carry, long kicking and incredible skillful individual feats then something needs to be changes.

Any way floods and zones can be reduced or broken is a great move by me and 2 subs and 2 interchange players seems like a great start.  :thumbsup

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Re: One substitute & 3 interchange in for 2011
« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2011, 11:45:19 AM »
An article about Newy and the sub rule.....

Tuesday on my mind
By Geoff Slattery
Wed 06 Apr, 2011



TUESDAY is a regular day for AFL players to be wheeled out to face the media. It's far enough away from the previous round, and not too close to selection day, thus allowing for broad discussions, and the occasional debate.

Such a relaxed state allows broadcasters, scribes, analysts, Tweeters, Facebookers, and whoever else is alert to the moment to listen, interpret, and find perhaps a little of the truth of what makes a player, and what views that player has on the game.

This Tuesday after a very broad press conference in which a change of role and expectation was revealed by veteran Port Adelaide performer Chad Cornes, he also let fly on the new interchange rule; later in the day I heard the more measured views of Richmond captain Chris Newman on the same topic.

This was Cornes' position: "I just can't see any benefit in it [the rule] at all. I think it's ridiculous, actually."

On Melbourne radio 3AW, Newman was asked whether he would have supported the concept of a sit-in as a protest against the rule, a concept apparently floated by Essendon captain Jobe Watson, and supported, in principle, on the same radio show by Sydney's Jude Bolton the previous day. Newman's response was a carefully, considered, a polite 'No'.

His connected discussion suggested that all clubs would prefer that the rule had not changed, but that it was causing more stress to the coaching staff than it was to the players. He said: "As a player we have to accept it, and move on."

Newman then noted the key point of this debate that seems to have been lost in all the emotion of the moment: "We have to let it pan out, and see how it goes. Where the AFL takes it at the end of the year, we're yet to know."

Two experienced players, two opposite views.

One has taken the route that has caused many successful companies to fall over - 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'; the other has provided some sense to the discussion, while accepting the view that the reasons the AFL have put in the process of change (reducing congestion, limiting high speed collisions, attempting fairness when injury strikes) are reasonable for any managing body.

Not just reasonable, but fundamental to their multiple roles of lawmakers, keepers of the code, and HR managers to more than 700 players.

There have been other reflections like that of Newman, most notably from four-time premiership coach Leigh Matthews, who put it in very simple terms on afl.com.au recently: "The first significant impact of the new system is that this year footy is a game played between two 21-man sides instead of two 22-man sides."

A basic position, hardly considered in any debates I have heard on this rule: the AFL has returned to the future, by reducing the numbers of players from 22 to 21. Simple really, but overlooked as clubs and coaches attempt to replicate with 21 what they had with 22.

Thus the stress on the coaching and sports science staff: do you pick the same player who would have been the fourth interchange player in 2010? Or is the player a pinch-hitter, able to play short, tall, quick, slow, forward back - if such a player exists?

Or is it the view put forward by Collingwood assistant Mark Neeld, also on Tuesday, that hard runners like Dane Swan may be better to have a week or two off through the year to conserve their energy.

Newman made one other point that should not be overlooked. He noted that he did not believe enough had been done to trial the rule before it was introduced to the premiership season.

The fact is that such a fundamental change of player management cannot be trialled effectively, as the usual trial grounds - pre-season games and practice matches - are always going to be less important than AFL matches.

The decision-making of coaches in a match played for premiership points is poles apart from the decision-making in pre-season matches, whether the NAB Cup or NAB Challenge, even if the decision is notionally the same.

The mere fact that many clubs are using these games as training grounds for their assistants underlines that point.

It is not possible to replicate "the moment" in an AFL match in which the decision to switch a player into the red vest is made, in any environment other than the real thing.

To understand that point is to consider playing a stock market game, in which you "invest" a bank of play money, against that moment when you are using real money, and making the choice to go long on BHP. Only the latter really matters.

The Cornes' position is one taken regularly by those of us who are impacted by change but rarely have the opportunity to have seen the data or to have understood the trends and the reasons why change is imperative.

The role of the AFL has always been to manage change to the way the game is played; even in the earliest days of Australian football regular meetings were held between members of the Melbourne Football Club, then the nominal controlling body, to vary the laws written in 1858.

Many changes were made in that first, evolutionary decade.

That role has extended beyond law-making to include player safety and the way the game is played and viewed - the fundamentals behind the change to the interchange.

The debate will roll on, as these things always do when change occurs. Rounds will come and go, teams will be apparently disadvantaged, 21 will play 21, data will roll in and players will be rolled out.

The season will end, the debate will take another level, and the AFL will do what it must do.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/111011/default.aspx

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Sub rule system punishes the weak teams (Australian)
« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2011, 02:46:29 AM »
System that punishes the weak
Stephen Rielly
The Australian
April 23, 2011


THE AFL appears to be succeeding in its quest to halt the number of players passing through the interchange gate, but may be handing a competitive advantage to the stronger teams in the competition by doing so.

The sharp rises in interchange numbers in recent seasons which concerned the AFL hierarchy sufficiently for it to reduce the bench by one this year and introduce a substitute have levelled off.

The average interchange rate per team in 2010 was 117.4. This year, admittedly after only four rounds, the figure is 115.9.

Fearful of a climb to figures approaching 150, and the consequences of a game kept blisteringly quick by such rapid rotations, the AFL also appears to have slowed the average speed of matches.

GPS data from several clubs indicates that in 2011 players are covering more ground than in 2010 and working harder to do so but at a slower rate than they were last year. The league argued, when it introduced the changes, that a slower pace would reduce the incidence and severity of high impact collisions. While this is contested by many clubs, particularly by sports science staff who see a spike in soft tissue injuries coming, an unforeseen by-product of the changes may be emerging.

The teams with the highest interchange rates are, for the most part, the teams in the top eight and the most powerful of last year. If not, they are, like Essendon, a side that has not only improved significantly but bucked the trend and pushed its interchange numbers significantly higher this season.

Undefeated Collingwood, a pioneer of the interchange movement, has refused to yield. While its numbers have not risen, they remain, at 123 per match, above the competition average. A statistical analysis of Geelong, a team predicted to decline this year but to date undefeated, indicates that the one major change new coach Chris Scott has introduced is a significant rise in the use of the interchange bench.

The Cats, under former coach Mark Thompson, who preferred to keep his players "in" a game, averaged 106 rotations per match last year. Under Scott, the number has risen to 124.

A corollary appears to exist.

Seven of the top eight sides in the competition happen to be the highest interchanging teams -- Sydney being the exception -- which, to some, suggests that the league has inadvertently created a competitive disadvantage for the weaker and younger sides, with their fewer stars and greater number of physically immature players being forced to remain on the ground longer than they once would have.

"That's the scenario that worries me," says Bulldogs coach Rodney Eade, who has been a very public critic of the new system.

"I accept that there are positives. When (Jarrad) Waite went down in the first quarter against Richmond, he came out of the game and Carlton basically played out the match with 21 against 21. The same when (Joel) Selwood went down (against St Kilda). It was 21 against 21 for a long time, which is fairer.

"But more is now being asked of the players. They're being forced to stay on the ground longer, which the AFL will say is good, but if it's tough for a very good player who has the cumulative benefit of multiple pre-seasons, how do you reckon it is for younger players? And teams with lots of young players?

"For Gold Coast, it's absolutely diabolical. They had three players cramping last weekend and one of them, (Michael) Coad, is sent back on and he tears his hamstring from the bone."

The Bulldogs are the highest rotating team and have defiantly gone higher this year, from 131 in 2010 to 139. Many things went wrong for the Dogs in round one, when they were mauled by Essendon, but chief among them was a lack of interchange action, according to Eade.

"They rotated a lot and we didn't rotate enough. I think we were 20 or 30 down on our average," he said.

To defy the new system, the Dogs have refined the way in which they bring players from the ground. Players no longer run from the furthest parts of the field to come off and spend less time resting when they do. The "cool down" walk along the boundary is disappearing, replaced by a direct path to a rub down mat and a swift return to the action.

The idea of entrenched advantage within the new system might also be seen in Collingwood's determination to strategically rest players during the season. Coach Mick Malthouse has said repeatedly that he will sit players out when the numbers tell his conditioning staff that a critical physical point has been reached.

Eade, who saw his captain Matthew Boyd cramp for the first time in his career in round two, says he will do the same. But can Damien Hardwick or Matthew Primus or Guy McKenna, coaches with younger and less capable squads that stand to suffer as much, if not more, under the new way take similar liberties? They have more of their team's performance invested in fewer players.

"Our figures tell us the average speed of the game has slowed down, which is what the league wanted," says the midfield coach of one club. "But the load the players are carrying is definitely greater, so from a welfare point of view it hasn't necessarily worked.

"The players are taking longer to recover after games and they're doing less during the week as a result, which may have consequences of its own in terms of keeping the standard of play high.

"Tell me," the assistant coach asks, "is it a good thing if Dane Swan or Chris Judd are having to spend more time on the field but that, in the end, they play fewer matches?"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/system-that-punishes-the-weak/story-e6frg7mf-1226043512834

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Re: One substitute & 3 interchange in for 2011
« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2011, 09:10:48 AM »
So, Collingwood is still leading the averages with over 120 rotations per game eh? There's a surprise. For the millionth time, the AFL needs to cap the number of interchanges per game to about 80. Then let's see the Maggots stifle every single contest with their constant "four on four off" bullcrap.

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Re: One substitute & 3 interchange in for 2011
« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2011, 10:09:26 AM »
My thoughts exactly Royce - 20 interchanges per quarter & you can use them as you please.

That'll open the game up more - plus players will get more than enough rest.