Grand Final - your predictions?

[Tigermonk]

Without responding specifically to the numerous good posts about today's game, here are my thoughts:

Was a great game.
Toss up between Hayes and Goddard for Norm Smith, Thomas best for Collingwood.
Body and verbal language from Saints camp post-game was much more positive than Collingwood.
Absolutely no need to change the draw to a shootout or extra time.  And I need to address this one further - our game is great because it is what it is, we don't need to follow any other code because what they do seems good or right, we are the best code because we are unique and just one of the small things that make us unique is sending both teams back out next week for another crack.  Other football codes have penalty shootouts, golden points, 5 minutes each way - which is the magical 'perfect' solution out of all of them?  There is no other football code I know of that allows players forward of the ball - should we adopt an offside rule because of that?  We hear constant whinging about the changing/adding/removing of rules that take away from the spectacle of our great game - why should we change one that is not broken and doesn't need fixing.  Chasing a result with extra time etc only sates the needs of those seeking instant gratification and does nothing to enhance our game by reputation or as a spectacle.  Leave the damn thing alone - 100k extra people will get to see an AFL grand final this year - how great is that!

Hey old fella thought you be in bed by now  tea sipper lolol. was a super game live. bit furry at the start. nerves real bad all round, took a good 15 mins to settle. knew it would be close but not that freakin close  was looking at a good payment off the skunks  such is life  how close lol. mate Goddard was covered & thumbled with his idiot in the 1st 1/4, Thomas was awesome, Cloke is a loser

[mightytiges]

LOL Jake and Tucky. Very apt result when you put it like that


I'm for one pro to keeping the replay. What's wrong with keeping a rare tradition when we all new the rules beforehand. Nah Nick let's have a sook after the result because the result didn't go your way . Not to mention the AFL will make $$$ from another $100k seats sold. Hopefully like 1977 more of the ordinary members can go to the replay. However I won't hold my breath as it'll be so typical of Demetriou and Anderson to overreact to something that has happened just 3 times in 150 years and change the rules to extra-time  .

Agree MT its not the AFL's fault its a replay the rules have been their for 150 years. However it's a bad one, horrible one. My cousin a Saint tragic, missed out on a GF ticket, paid for a Sydney Swans corporate ticket package worth 1.4k and flown himself from London costing him $2k return has come and seen a draw and walk away without seeing a result... Makes no sense.

That aside in no professional sport do we have our Premiership day replayed if the teams are dead locked. Its common sense play extra time of 2 x 5 or 10 minute halves. If the scores are tied have another 2 minute halves and so on.

The draw as a whole is pointless, historical or not it shouldn't hold a place in our game anymore. Our game is not like soccer that rewards weaker teams for being defensively strong against stronger teams. If an AFL game is drawn both teams are good enough to win and should be given the opportunity to do so.

Its common sense, go into the rooms come out 10 mins later and play 2 x 5 or 10 min halves....

The replay is the fairest way to do it for the ones that matter -the teams. If you can't beat another side after two goes at them then you don't deserve the flag. Sorry about your cousin's bad luck Pope but there's plenty of mad Pie and Saint members who won't be able get a ticket to either GF.

Extra-time might sound good in theory but what happens if a side is down to two players on the bench. An extra 20 minutes would put them at a severe disadvantage. Speaking of Soccer there's even talk of having 50m kick-offs at goal  . Sheesh how ridiculous would that be. At least now both sides can go away for a week and put 22 players on the park next Saturday and fight it out again.

Yeah understandably see the fairness of it, but the argument is endless is it fair that St.Kilda have to play another game without any input from Michael Gardiner? Understand they would in extra time as well but Jolly has a week to rest an go up against McEvoy/Kossi for 4 qtrs instead of Kossi for extra time.

If you've lost a player in a GF that cant come back for extra time it's very unlikely they'd be able to recover in 7 days, only in the minority of cases with concussions. Most other injuries would be multiple weeks otherwise in a GF the player would return.

The 50m shootout is ridiculous, hope it never even comes into the NAB cup.

I just feel for the players, they've given 400% for nothing. Yeah they get another chance next week but it just doesn't seem right.

Jolly has Leigh Brown as 2nd ruck as well so it would've been Jolly/Brown vs Kosi/Blake in extra time. Only Jolly is a true class ruckman from that quartet. At least now both sides can reset with two rucks of their choosing. I agree if a player cops an game-ending injury then he'll most likely not come up the following week but not always though. Ball and Dal Santo looked to have done their hammies last week and were off for the rest of their respective Preliminary Final but they came up for the GF. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Pope. You'll get your wish next Saturday as the AFL site says extra-time will be played if there's another tie in the replay (two 5-minute periods).

Yeah Ball looked very hindered, Dal looked OK.

Yeah its just my opinion, and yours is valid. I just think GF day should end in crowning a premier. If GF Day 2 is good enough for extra time, then why not the real GF day lol? Doesn't really make sense AFL. If a GF shouldn't be decided for extra time cause its unfair or for whatever reasons then next week should be the same? So I can't really understand that.

Yeah I agree extra-time after a tied GF replay doesn't make sense if you don't allow it after tied GF. I guess Cricket can't wait until Feb to start lol so a cut-off has to come in. I'd just have replay after replay. It's highly unlikely there'll be 2 draws in a row let alone 3.

Another reason for my view Pope is that I also grew up watching FA Cup replays on tv and loved them. In any football code the more you play one other club the bigger the rivalry that builds up. Sadly the tv networks and corporates got all upset about having to reschedule for a rematch the following week and that's how we now have stupid penalty shootouts to decide Soccer games. Yeah sure they are dramatic and "great tv" but after playing a whole game as a team sport it's then reduced to practically an individual toss of the coin to decide the winner. I would hate to see that happen in Aussie Rules and for what for. Because we've had 3 tied GFs in 150 years and that's such a major problem with the game  ???. What happens if the teams aren't split after extra-time. Some clown like Adrian Anderson will want to "fix" that problem too by introducing 50m shootouts Soccer-style. It's all opinion but IMO replays are the fairest way to decide the premiership if there's a draw. If tv networks, corporates, theatregoers, Nick Maxwell, etc don't like it then stiff!  . Replays also mean more of the true passionate supporters who go each and every week can go which is also a good thing all round. The atmosphere next week will be 10 times better .

[one-eyed]

That's enough with personal slanging match which is irrelevant to the topic. Leave it off the forum or it'll be snipped!


Here's the info for the GF replay btw.....

Grand Final Replay - Ticket info, extra time confirmed
By Jennifer Witham
6:52 PM Sat 25 Sep, 2010

THE GRAND final replay between Collingwood and St Kilda will take place at the MCG next Saturday afternoon, with two five-minute periods to be added in the event of another draw.

More Magpies and Saints members will be able to attend the game - to be played at 2.30pm on October 2 - with 16,000 tickets on top of the normal 25,000 to be made available.

Competing club members can purchase tickets from 9am on Monday while AFL members will get their opportunity from 9am on Tuesday.

The general public will have access to any remaining tickets at 9am on Wednesday.

Ticket prices will remain the same, as will uniforms, dressing rooms and game-day scheduling.

Arrangements for any events during what is the second grand final week will be announced by the League on Monday.

* The Melbourne Cricket Club says about 12,000 reserved seats on levels 1, 2 and 4 will go on sale to full members on Tuesday at noon. There will be a maximum of eight seats available per transaction.

Tickets will be available on a first-in, best-dressed basis through Ticketek and in person at the membership ticket windows at gate 2 of the MCG.

The remaining 10,000 seats and 1000 standing room spots not sold in advance will be available when gates open at 10.30am next Saturday.

Full members may queue for walk-up seating outside the members' entrance at gate 2, with queuing arrangements the same as they were for the grand final.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/103194/default.aspx

[TigerLand]

LOL Jake and Tucky. Very apt result when you put it like that


I'm for one pro to keeping the replay. What's wrong with keeping a rare tradition when we all new the rules beforehand. Nah Nick let's have a sook after the result because the result didn't go your way . Not to mention the AFL will make $$$ from another $100k seats sold. Hopefully like 1977 more of the ordinary members can go to the replay. However I won't hold my breath as it'll be so typical of Demetriou and Anderson to overreact to something that has happened just 3 times in 150 years and change the rules to extra-time  .

Agree MT its not the AFL's fault its a replay the rules have been their for 150 years. However it's a bad one, horrible one. My cousin a Saint tragic, missed out on a GF ticket, paid for a Sydney Swans corporate ticket package worth 1.4k and flown himself from London costing him $2k return has come and seen a draw and walk away without seeing a result... Makes no sense.

That aside in no professional sport do we have our Premiership day replayed if the teams are dead locked. Its common sense play extra time of 2 x 5 or 10 minute halves. If the scores are tied have another 2 minute halves and so on.

The draw as a whole is pointless, historical or not it shouldn't hold a place in our game anymore. Our game is not like soccer that rewards weaker teams for being defensively strong against stronger teams. If an AFL game is drawn both teams are good enough to win and should be given the opportunity to do so.

Its common sense, go into the rooms come out 10 mins later and play 2 x 5 or 10 min halves....

The replay is the fairest way to do it for the ones that matter -the teams. If you can't beat another side after two goes at them then you don't deserve the flag. Sorry about your cousin's bad luck Pope but there's plenty of mad Pie and Saint members who won't be able get a ticket to either GF.

Extra-time might sound good in theory but what happens if a side is down to two players on the bench. An extra 20 minutes would put them at a severe disadvantage. Speaking of Soccer there's even talk of having 50m kick-offs at goal  . Sheesh how ridiculous would that be. At least now both sides can go away for a week and put 22 players on the park next Saturday and fight it out again.

Yeah understandably see the fairness of it, but the argument is endless is it fair that St.Kilda have to play another game without any input from Michael Gardiner? Understand they would in extra time as well but Jolly has a week to rest an go up against McEvoy/Kossi for 4 qtrs instead of Kossi for extra time.

If you've lost a player in a GF that cant come back for extra time it's very unlikely they'd be able to recover in 7 days, only in the minority of cases with concussions. Most other injuries would be multiple weeks otherwise in a GF the player would return.

The 50m shootout is ridiculous, hope it never even comes into the NAB cup.

I just feel for the players, they've given 400% for nothing. Yeah they get another chance next week but it just doesn't seem right.

Jolly has Leigh Brown as 2nd ruck as well so it would've been Jolly/Brown vs Kosi/Blake in extra time. Only Jolly is a true class ruckman from that quartet. At least now both sides can reset with two rucks of their choosing. I agree if a player cops an game-ending injury then he'll most likely not come up the following week but not always though. Ball and Dal Santo looked to have done their hammies last week and were off for the rest of their respective Preliminary Final but they came up for the GF. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Pope. You'll get your wish next Saturday as the AFL site says extra-time will be played if there's another tie in the replay (two 5-minute periods).

Yeah Ball looked very hindered, Dal looked OK.

Yeah its just my opinion, and yours is valid. I just think GF day should end in crowning a premier. If GF Day 2 is good enough for extra time, then why not the real GF day lol? Doesn't really make sense AFL. If a GF shouldn't be decided for extra time cause its unfair or for whatever reasons then next week should be the same? So I can't really understand that.

Yeah I agree extra-time after a tied GF replay doesn't make sense if you don't allow it after tied GF. I guess Cricket can't wait until Feb to start lol so a cut-off has to come in. I'd just have replay after replay. It's highly unlikely there'll be 2 draws in a row let alone 3.

Another reason for my view Pope is that I also grew up watching FA Cup replays on tv and loved them. In any football code the more you play one other club the bigger the rivalry that builds up. Sadly the tv networks and corporates got all upset about having to reschedule for a rematch the following week and that's how we now have stupid penalty shootouts to decide Soccer games. Yeah sure they are dramatic and "great tv" but after playing a whole game as a team sport it's then reduced to practically an individual toss of the coin to decide the winner. I would hate to see that happen in Aussie Rules and for what for. Because we've had 3 tied GFs in 150 years and that's such a major problem with the game  ???. What happens if the teams aren't split after extra-time. Some clown like Adrian Anderson will want to "fix" that problem too by introducing 50m shootouts Soccer-style. It's all opinion but IMO replays are the fairest way to decide the premiership if there's a draw. If tv networks, corporates, theatregoers, Nick Maxwell, etc don't like it then stiff!  . Replays also mean more of the true passionate supporters who go each and every week can go which is also a good thing all round. The atmosphere next week will be 10 times better .

You make great points MT, something inside me just feels empty that a premier wasn't crowned today. It will disappear next week when the Saints hopefully get up, I hope its close and nail biting as today and we remember it as being a good of a game as we would have if today we found a premier.

Hope Jolly gets rubbed out, no chance tho lol but its exactly the same as Jason Cloke in 02 lol

[Ramps]

do St Kilda even have 1 or 2 players who didnt play that can come in and help em out. Players like Eddy made little to no contribution.

[jackstar is back again]

do St Kilda even have 1 or 2 players who didnt play that can come in and help em out. Players like Eddy made little to no contribution.

Eddy had a plate inserted in his jaw, probably shouldnt have played.
What about Leon Davis??? Kicked one goal but did nothing, they couldnt go again with him next week

[yellowandback]

Great game of hard, tough football. Both sides should be commended although you'd give the game to the Saints given the way they fought back in the 2nd half.  I presume that might use that during the week.

Hayes was BOG for mine, 32 touches, 5 inside 50's, 12 tackles and 11 contested possessions was a decent contribution. His last qtr reminded me of Vossy in 2002.

If you've ever been at a draw, it feels like the atmosphere of the game gets completely sucked out of the stadium when the siren goes  The contrast with 100k screaming and then nothing was surreal.

I thought it was a great that both supporters gave their sides applause at the end of the game - nice touch.

It looked like the Colliwobbles didn't it?

[jackstar is back again]

My best for the saints were Goddard, Hayes, Fisher and Gwilt.
i thought when under the pump, both Fisher and Gwilt defended gallantly

[Owl]

Great game of hard, tough football. Both sides should be commended although you'd give the game to the Saints given the way they fought back in the 2nd half.  I presume that might use that during the week.

Hayes was BOG for mine, 32 touches, 5 inside 50's, 12 tackles and 11 contested possessions was a decent contribution. His last qtr reminded me of Vossy in 2002.

If you've ever been at a draw, it feels like the atmosphere of the game gets completely sucked out of the stadium when the siren goes  The contrast with 100k screaming and then nothing was surreal.

I thought it was a great that both supporters gave their sides applause at the end of the game - nice touch.

It looked like the Colliwobbles didn't it?

I thought they looked totally spent by the second quarter, they thought they could blow the saints away early and cruise it out like they did with the Cats.  End of the second they were fumbling and falling over and looked buggered.  The halftime break gives u a bit of a freshen up but your still gonna fatigue pretty quick again.  Their style of play is manic, if the Saints can soak it without as much running they will out last em.

[FNM]

I have a confession to make
The draw reminded me of the one in the '70s when North played Collingwood and I went to the game barracking for the Pies. Even wore the colours!!!
That's how much I hated North at the time and still do 

[Ramps]

My best for the saints were Goddard, Hayes, Fisher and Gwilt.
i thought when under the pump, both Fisher and Gwilt defended gallantly

Clearly dont follow opposition teams closely but Gwilts improved a hell of a lot from the last time I remember him. Not a bad player is Gwilt.

[FNM]

My best for the saints were Goddard, Hayes, Fisher and Gwilt.
i thought when under the pump, both Fisher and Gwilt defended gallantly

Clearly dont follow opposition teams closely but Gwilts improved a hell of a lot from the last time I remember him. Not a bad player is Gwilt.

He played well in the game that counted
Thought he was good!

[Infamy]

Amazing game, I'm glad there is another one next weekend. Shattered that ball didn't bounce through for the Saints near the end.
No way should we change the rule regarding the grand final replay, half the games of soccer played end in a draw each week, we have had 3 drawn grand finals in over 100 years and only a couple of draws in almost 200 games of AFL played each year.

I'm a little worried that Collingwood now have the ability to drop that spud Davis, it may give them the edge. Although Saints will be able to replace Gardiner with McEvoy so hopefully that balances it up.
I'm definitely hopeful after the body language after the game Saints were far more positive and even the first interviews after the game Goddard was a star, absolutely positive and looking forward to next week. That strawman Maxwell just had another sook.

[TigerLand]

Amazing game, I'm glad there is another one next weekend. Shattered that ball didn't bounce through for the Saints near the end.
No way should we change the rule regarding the grand final replay, half the games of soccer played end in a draw each week, we have had 3 drawn grand finals in over 100 years and only a couple of draws in almost 200 games of AFL played each year.

I'm a little worried that Collingwood now have the ability to drop that spud Davis, it may give them the edge. Although Saints will be able to replace Gardiner with McEvoy so hopefully that balances it up.
I'm definitely hopeful after the body language after the game Saints were far more positive and even the first interviews after the game Goddard was a star, absolutely positive and looking forward to next week. That strawman Maxwell just had another sook.

Love that Maxwell continues to make a fool out of himself.

Hes never seen blokes go to war like that... What an idiot. Hopefully that is used to spur on the Saints. The Pies dont wanna be there. Would love 2010 to be there year that Collingwood couldnt win 1 of 2 GF's 

[Damo]

Zac Dawson was another player that was super.

He saved them time and time again, was the unsung hero yesterday.