Grand Final - your predictions?

[RollsRoyce]

All the 16 clubs will now sit down over summer and try to come up with ways to overcome Collingwood's forward press just as they did with Hawthorn and their cluster zone after 2008.

This is what really gripes me. It shouldn't be up to the clubs to have to figure out ways to counter Collingwood's negative tactics. Dimwittyou should get off his lazy, fat, corrupt backside and introduce an off-side rule to keep players in their own half of the ground at all times.

Im sorry RR but I disagree. Malthouse drilled his team beautifully. They know there system and they know how to get out the back running into goal with little pressure. Clubs need to figure out how to stop it.

But Ramps, aren't you sick and tired of the congestion that passes for modern footy? I am, and I just want to go back to the days of man-on-man, free-flowing high-scoring footy.
 I remember the last few times we played Scumwood, including that pre-season game at Visy Park this year, and every time we triedto kick in from a behind, they've sent their whole team down to lock it in. The full-ground press they call it. Honestly, trying to get the ball out of there is like trying to squeeze a fart through a bucket of molasses.
I HATE it, and I wish the AFL had the balls to create some rules to put a stop to it. And as for Malthouse likening it to Roman legionaire formations, and Rommel, well it just shows what a WANKER the bloke is in my book.

[Judge Roughneck]

I think Peake wanted collingwood to win

[Ramps]

All the 16 clubs will now sit down over summer and try to come up with ways to overcome Collingwood's forward press just as they did with Hawthorn and their cluster zone after 2008.

This is what really gripes me. It shouldn't be up to the clubs to have to figure out ways to counter Collingwood's negative tactics. Dimwittyou should get off his lazy, fat, corrupt backside and introduce an off-side rule to keep players in their own half of the ground at all times.

Im sorry RR but I disagree. Malthouse drilled his team beautifully. They know there system and they know how to get out the back running into goal with little pressure. Clubs need to figure out how to stop it.

But Ramps, aren't you sick and tired of the congestion that passes for modern footy? I am, and I just want to go back to the days of man-on-man, free-flowing high-scoring footy.
 I remember the last few times we played Scumwood, including that pre-season game at Visy Park this year, and every time we triedto kick in from a behind, they've sent their whole team down to lock it in. The full-ground press they call it. Honestly, trying to get the ball out of there is like trying to squeeze a fart through a bucket of molasses.
I HATE it, and I wish the AFL had the balls to create some rules to put a stop to it. And as for Malthouse likening it to Roman legionaire formations, and Rommel, well it just shows what a WANKER the bloke is in my book.

I dont like that Collingwood players along the boundary but lets be honest when they are on song they are terrific at what they do. The challenge is to the rest of the clubs including ours to find a way to beat there system or implement another system of footy that we can do well enough to beat all opponents.

[Judge Roughneck]

if the afl change the rules to stop the tatic / full press I will stop following aust. Footy.

The game has been ok 150 odd years stop changig the fcing rules.

All the 16 clubs will now sit down over summer and try to come up with ways to overcome Collingwood's forward press just as they did with Hawthorn and their cluster zone after 2008.

This is what really gripes me. It shouldn't be up to the clubs to have to figure out ways to counter Collingwood's negative tactics. Dimwittyou should get off his lazy, fat, corrupt backside and introduce an off-side rule to keep players in their own half of the ground at all times.

Im sorry RR but I disagree. Malthouse drilled his team beautifully. They know there system and they know how to get out the back running into goal with little pressure. Clubs need to figure out how to stop it.

But Ramps, aren't you sick and tired of the congestion that passes for modern footy? I am, and I just want to go back to the days of man-on-man, free-flowing high-scoring footy.
 I remember the last few times we played Scumwood, including that pre-season game at Visy Park this year, and every time we triedto kick in from a behind, they've sent their whole team down to lock it in. The full-ground press they call it. Honestly, trying to get the ball out of there is like trying to squeeze a fart through a bucket of molasses.
I HATE it, and I wish the AFL had the balls to create some rules to put a stop to it. And as for Malthouse likening it to Roman legionaire formations, and Rommel, well it just shows what a WANKER the bloke is in my book.

[RollsRoyce]

Bentleigh - this argument that the game has been okay for 150 years and doesn't need changing works on the assumption that the game hasn't changed in all that time.
But the sad FACT is that the game has changed dramatically in the last ten years alone, and is in fact unrecognizable from the fantastic and unique game that I was once proud to say was the best code in the world.
And I lay the blame squarely at the feet of coaches like Eade and Wallace originally, who started borrowing zone defence tactics from basketball and soccer, and Roos, Lyon and Malthouse more recently who claim to be reading books on the art of war and battle tactics (tossers).
The bottom line is that in their quest to gain a winning edge on the rest of the competition, they have RUINED what was great about our game, and turned it into a low-scoring, ugly, congested mess.
Now if it took soccer tactics to ruin the game, let's use soccer tactics (ie, an off-side rule) to fix it again. And before you trundle out this "leave it alone" line, just stop and think about the amount of times you've heard supporters of all clubs say they're sick and tired of seeing players being forced to kick backwards and sideways going nowhere, while they try to negotiate their way thrugh an endless flood. They're probably the same fans who also say leave the rules alone. Something needs to be done. 

[jackstar is back again]

keep at least 2 players( same team ) inside F 50 at any time and problem solved.

[Penelope]

remove the wings 4 less players on the ground, less congestion.

simple really.

dont have to stuff with rules . People go spare at umpires as it is without having them to make sure a certain number of players are in a certain area of the ground.

The defensive aspect of aussie rules was always going to catch up with other sports.

The flip side of it is that when opposition sides manage to crack these zones the game suddenly becomes open, fast, and exiting.

[RollsRoyce]

remove the wings 4 less players on the ground, less congestion.

simple really.

dont have to eff with rules . People go spare at umpires as it is without having them to make sure a certain number of players are in a certain area of the ground.

The defensive aspect of aussie rules was always going to catch up with other sports.

The flip side of it is that when opposition sides manage to crack these zones the game suddenly becomes open, fast, and exiting.

Umpires have enough to concentrate on, with having to get their interpretations wrong so often That's why we should have linesmen to police it.

[Judge Roughneck]

keep at least 2 players( same team ) inside F 50 at any time and problem solved.

give them bibs and cal the game netball

[Smokey]

keep at least 2 players( same team ) inside F 50 at any time and problem solved.

give them bibs and cal the game netball

Yep, exactly.  The zone defence thing is like everything else in our game - cyclic - and if we would just stop taking knee jerk reactions to every single damn shift in tactics and style then the game would evolve naturally and successfully, just like it has done for 150 years.

[RollsRoyce]

keep at least 2 players( same team ) inside F 50 at any time and problem solved.

give them bibs and cal the game netball

Yep, exactly.  The zone defence thing is like everything else in our game - cyclic - and if we would just stop taking knee jerk reactions to every single damn shift in tactics and style then the game would evolve naturally and successfully, just like it has done for 150 years.

Oh, here's this "the game has survived for 150 years without being changed" argument again. The game is changing all the time - just not for the better. And where's one shred of evidence of the zone defence being cyclic? Or of the game evolving past it?? We've been stuck with this clogged up garbage for 10 years now, and the only "evolution" is that coaches have become more and more adept at creating even further congestion.
It's people like you and Bentleigh who will ensure that we're stuck with this bastardized version of rugby for all eternity, because you're afraid to try anything new that will give us back our Aussie Rules again.

[Francois Jackson]

Kosi kicked 5 against us in the 2nd last round.

you cant surely be suggesting that Kosi is a good footballer.

He is pathetic Jack. He is the type of footballer that would have die hard Saints fans smashing their heads against the walls. He is crap.

The longer Kosi stays in that forward line the longer the Saints have no chance of winning a flag. He must play ruck any idiot can see that

[cub]

Kosi is (rap

[Smokey]

Yep, exactly.  The zone defence thing is like everything else in our game - cyclic - and if we would just stop taking knee jerk reactions to every single damn shift in tactics and style then the game would evolve naturally and successfully, just like it has done for 150 years.

Oh, here's this "the game has survived for 150 years without being changed" argument again. The game is changing all the time - just not for the better. And where's one shred of evidence of the zone defence being cyclic? Or of the game evolving past it?? We've been stuck with this clogged up garbage for 10 years now, and the only "evolution" is that coaches have become more and more adept at creating even further congestion.
It's people like you and Bentleigh who will ensure that we're stuck with this bastardized version of rugby for all eternity, because you're afraid to try anything new that will give us back our Aussie Rules again.

Where's one shred of evidence to suggest it is any different to every other cyclic move?  Should we have banned handball when Barassi left many teams in his wake by changing the way his team played the game?  Should we have banned the drop punt when Jack Dyer brought it into the game and caused the demise of the more aesthetically pleasing drop kick?  Should we have banned the vacant forward line when Pagan introduced his "paddock" and set his team apart from the rest?  Geelong certainly didn't play the zone defence game that you are moaning about and they were the most successful team of the last 5 years.  Good coaches will always look to change the current 'methods' in order to maximise their strengths and gain the tactical edge - that's what cyclical development is all about, that's how our game has evolved in a spectacularly successful fashion for 150 years, and that's why it's the best policy to not have knee-jerk reactions to situations you find yourself unable to deal with or rise above.  In the past 10 years there have been 5 grand finals (2 in the past 4 years) with a combined final score in excess of 180 points - hardly a pointer that our game is being "clogged up" when the 2 best teams for the season (and presumably the best proponents of your "garbage" method) can manage such scores.  And if you believe that last week's grand final was diminished in any way by 'clogging' then you will never be happy with a game.  It was a magnificent spectacle between 2 sides who were tactically sound and well led, tough, courageous and skillful in all the game's facets - a fantastic advertisement and celebration of our game - the best code of football in the world.

Afraid to try anything new?        No, I'm not fearful of letting things evolve naturally instead of wetting my pants and stamping my feet because I can't keep up with the big boys.

[RollsRoyce]

All of the things you mentioned, the introduction of handball etc. improved the game at the time, because they made it better as a spectacle. The drop-kick was phased out because it was too unreliable if it was mis-kicked.
Geelong were one of the teams who played good attacking football through the corridor, which is why I was barracking for them in last year's Grand Final over St.Kilda who, like Collingwood and the Swans thrive on bottling up play.
The drawn Grand Final last week yielded a miserly score of 68 apiece. That's not even worthy of a 3/4 time result in my books. What's wrong with wanting to see some goals being kicked???? This aint rugby or soccer we're following theoretically.
And don't point to the scoreline last week. These sort of blowouts are common when one side gets caught out on the rebound spread because they don't run hard enough to subject the opposition to the same sort of congestion they've been battling against. The same sort of thing used to happen to us against Sydney with their negating tactics all the time.
Finally, it's not wetting my pants just because I yearn to see more of the game that I used to love, and less of this rugby crap that everybody's too apathetic to try and change.