Brad Miller [merged]

[Dubstep Dookie]

Whozee? 

[Ox]

Miller is doing his job, His is in the side to add strength. His there to take one of the main defenders which he does & to make a contest.

and when he fortuitously ends up with the ball, he
a-Loses it
b-turns it over
c-has a shot on @ goal and misses.

He negates his presence by being present.

[WilliamPowell]

Miller is doing his job, His is in the side to add strength. His there to take one of the main defenders which he does & to make a contest.

and when he fortuitously ends up with the ball, he
a-Loses it
b-turns it over
c-has a shot on @ goal and misses.

He negates his presence by being present.

You forgot D Ox

D - all of the above he fits right in with some many others 

[Tigermonk]

Well if thats what all the supporters think,  then why do we draft these type of players, we get one every year.   

[the claw]

But he is integral to our "structure". FFS.

Unfortunately he is! at least till Post grows some balls or till Griffiths is ready, we don't have any other option but play the spaz......... 

this is so so wrong.

at the start of the season we had just one established key forward of decent size. just one his name is riewoldt.
the thinking was to, 1 bring in a bigger body miller to play as the other kpf, 2 take some pressure of jack and give him a hand. 3 enable us to play a young third tall and give him experience without throwing him to the wolves. i for one agreed with the thinking but i ask myself has things changed enough that we no longer need to worry about these things so much and the answer is most definately.

What has transpired so far this yr.

1/ that third tall vickery is now playing kp and is now more than holding his own. 2/ vickery  is outperforming miller and is  a bigger help to us than miller. 3/ as a third tall which is basically what miller has become, miller achieves little for us. he gets little ball, hes as slow as, and he does nothing to take pressure away from jack gives us nothing at ground level as well as in the air and his opponents just lope away.

to me it is time to now play another younger player in what was vickerys third tall role.
with  a 200cm / 97kg chf  and 195cm/ 93 kg ff who can both compete against bigger bodies  gives us forward line structure. what we now need is not brad miller but a tallish quick third tall who is good on the ground can chase and harass and take a grab. ideally that type would be someone like troy taylor but we all know whats going on there. barring a taylor type we may as well give another tall a run. or barring that play a big bodied skillful medium sized player.
personally i think we need to find a genuine ruckman/forward some will say vickery but not if he is to play kp. we need to find a tall medium someone around 188cm in the ryan okeefe or even jurrah  mould.perhaps morton but im being rude to okeefe here. we most definately need to find a high quality goal kicking small in the mould of carltons jeff garlett.

to finish imo we go from extremes with our forward line set up.

3 kpfs 2 of whom lack pace and 3 tiny runts who all lack polish wheres the balance.

[Hellenic Tiger]

If Griff won't play as he may be suffering the effects of concussion, need to bring Post in.

The Miller experiment has served whatever it has served. Play the kids. More detrimental than beneficial now.

[mightytiges]

I didn't see any forward half structure on the weekend. Players with the ball would constantly look upfield and see no one creating space or running into space. Isn't that Miller's supposedly structural role - taking the burden off Jack and Ty so one of them can be one-out?! He started on the bench as well and we did fine without him having the first 6 shots on goal. Having duds like Miller in the side is like playing with a man down most weeks and denies getting games into a younger player . End rant! 

Well I reckon he tried, but it's hard to take the burden off Jack when Jack seems to be creating his own burden by going in the same direction of Ty. Terribly out of form is Jack

Jack is playing injured which is another question all together but even so Miller as a 3rd tall just doesn't impose himself on the game. Compare him to Vickery who has imposed himself over the past month or so even with Jack struggling. As for Miller trying - well I'd hate to see if he wasn't  . Sadly Richmond has had teams full of too many triers like Miller who lack the class required for this level for the past 30 years.  Miller is a VFL standard footballer.

Not his fault that we didn't one crumber with enough brains to get front square to any of our forwards for most of the day

That's true WP we didn't have a crumber front and square all day but a 3rd tall should also be able to crumb goals as well. I think the two plays that summed up each team's forward line on the weekend was firstly when a ball was kicked long towards a 2-on-2 situation with Watts and Jurrah up against Rance and Batchelor (?). All went up in the contest but Jurrah seeing the ball spill to the front landed and had the quick reactions and agility to crumb a goal around his body. Compare that to the same 2-on-2 situation in our forward line where with a similar incoming long ball Vickery and Miller went up for the contest and Miller's opponent was able to clear the ball away from the spill. Miller doesn't have the ability to be a reliable contested mark as a key forward nor the agility and smarts to play a 3rd forward. He shouldn't be in the side when Jack and Vickery are our two main key forwards.

Didn't think him being in the side last week against Brisbane resulted in us being a man down - he was actually very good agaisnt Bris - would you like me to send you a copy of the game 

Brisbane are last on the ladder for a reason  .

And I know most people want him out of the side but I would like to pose a serious question is there any chance before the season finishes for Miller to get a free kick paid to him for either chopping of the arms or hands in the back?

I know Jack gets crucified by the umps with these but struth Miller aint far behind, ditto Jake King

Yep WP the umps ignore scragging against our forwards most weeks . The worst non-decision last weekend was a deep kick towards Vickery in the first quarter who had the sit and the Melbourne player running back made front on contract which is a free kick every day of the week yet it was called play on  . Then off course the ball eventually went up the other end and Watts got that free. It cost us two goals  .

[mightytiges]

But he is integral to our "structure". FFS.

Unfortunately he is! at least till Post grows some balls or till Griffiths is ready, we don't have any other option but play the spaz......... 

this is so so wrong.

at the start of the season we had just one established key forward of decent size. just one his name is riewoldt.
the thinking was to, 1 bring in a bigger body miller to play as the other kpf, 2 take some pressure of jack and give him a hand. 3 enable us to play a young third tall and give him experience without throwing him to the wolves. i for one agreed with the thinking but i ask myself has things changed enough that we no longer need to worry about these things so much and the answer is most definately.

What has transpired so far this yr.

1/ that third tall vickery is now playing kp and is now more than holding his own. 2/ vickery  is outperforming miller and is  a bigger help to us than miller. 3/ as a third tall which is basically what miller has become, miller achieves little for us. he gets little ball, hes as slow as, and he does nothing to take pressure away from jack gives us nothing at ground level as well as in the air and his opponents just lope away.

to me it is time to now play another younger player in what was vickerys third tall role.
with  a 200cm / 97kg chf  and 195cm/ 93 kg ff who can both compete against bigger bodies  gives us forward line structure. what we now need is not brad miller but a tallish quick third tall who is good on the ground can chase and harass and take a grab. ideally that type would be someone like troy taylor but we all know whats going on there. barring a taylor type we may as well give another tall a run. or barring that play a big bodied skillful medium sized player.
personally i think we need to find a genuine ruckman/forward some will say vickery but not if he is to play kp. we need to find a tall medium someone around 188cm in the ryan okeefe or even jurrah  mould.perhaps morton but im being rude to okeefe here. we most definately need to find a high quality goal kicking small in the mould of carltons jeff garlett.

to finish imo we go from extremes with our forward line set up.

3 kpfs 2 of whom lack pace and 3 tiny runts who all lack polish wheres the balance.

Agree with this post claw. While we have a couple of quality key forwards we still lack mid-size and small forwards with the class and speed (both offensively and defensively) at ground level in our forward line. It means offensively we lack those creative forwards who can make goals out of nothing from stoppages or turnover from tackles or who are nippy enough to run at angles and hit up higher up inside forward 50; while defensively opposition sides rebound out of our forward line with ease and hurt us on the counterattack. Melbourne did that to perfection last weekend. Most of their goals came from counterattacks starting in our forward half. We still have a long long way to go with our rebuild as these type of forwards don't even appear to be on our list yet (Taylor is but he's going AWOL of course  ).

[Rodgerramjet]

Miller is not up to it and has actually validated the decision made by Melbourne to off load him in 2010. The reason we recruited him "structure" structure my arse!! He was afforded a lifeline by one Craig Cameron, "Jobs for the boys". Has not done anything of note that any of our youngsters could not have done just as effectively and got game time and added experience to boot.

Craig Cameron if you continue to recruit people because you are there mates and you want to give them a helping hand then you will only succeed in undermining our club. Post could have played that position for the whole year to this point and we still would have been in this position only Post would have added valuable game time to his development.

[The Big Richo]

The point is a crap player is a crap player, doesn't matter how you try and dress it up in terms of structures etc, fact is Miller can't play at AFL level.

[Francois Jackson]

the RFC is not a charity case for the struggling unemployed. Thanks Cameron you fool.

We need to believe we can beat the Blues and play our best side capable of doing it and for me thats Tuck in to play up forward with Post. Play Post for the rest of the year and if no improvement then goodbye.

Miller should take his sorry a-rse to Coburg and plank there for the rest of his days as a footballer

[The Big Richo]

In other news Craig Cameron has just signed Dean Brogan to a 10 year $7 million dollar deal.

[gerkin greg]

Dunno if Vicks would have found his feet so quickly this season if it wasn't for Miller taking some of the heat. However now that he has it's time to eject the Brad.

[Smokey]

Dunno if Vicks would have found his feet so quickly this season if it wasn't for Miller taking some of the heat. However now that he has it's time to eject the Brad.

Closer to reality than most other posts Gerks.

[Dice]

Thanks Cameron you fool.

Donald Trump without the clout

for me thats Tuck in to play up forward

ok get used to it folks , TUCK AINT COMING IN EVER !..... and Daniel if he did he wouldn't be playing up forward for the first time in his career