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« Reply #2340 on: May 23, 2014, 01:32:35 PM »
WELFARE WHINGERS, LOOK AT NZ

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23rd May 2014


Our health spending is indulgent by comparison

THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.

Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.

The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).

Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.

The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.

If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.

Australians’ hysterical reaction to the Coalition’s first budget must bemuse New Zealanders, especially since Treasurer Bill English said last week that he would cut public spending as a share of gross domestic product by more than twice as much as the Abbott government has announced.

In fact, without a minerals boom to line government coffers and despite a huge repair bill from two devastating earthquakes, New Zealand’s budget will be back in surplus by $NZ400 million ($370m) next financial year, rising to $NZ3.5bn by 2018.

English, now in his sixth year as New Zealand’s Treasurer, commendably chose not to emulate the world’s greatest treasurer Wayne Swan and kept a tight leash on public spending before and after the global financial crisis, preferring to cut income taxes and lift consumption tax. The Key government, facing election again later this year, is now reaping the rewards.

While Australia’s economy is lumbering back to trend growth, New Zealand is enjoying a boom, its economy predicted to grow 4 per cent this year and 3 per cent next without pushing up inflation. The country’s unemployment rate is projected to fall to 4.4 per cent during the next few years as ours hovers around 6 per cent.

Apart from a bloated public sector and a wellspring of whingeing, what does Australia get for its vastly more indulgent public spending? Much higher taxes, for one thing. The marginal income rate most Australians will pay from July — 34.5 per cent — will be higher even than New Zealand’s top 33 per cent rate, which makes a mockery of our 49 per cent top rate, which will be higher than China’s and France’s.

It hasn’t made us happier. Even rising interest rates have been unable to dent record high confidence levels among New Zealand households and businesses, while Australians’ mood has oscillated between gloomy and indifferent for months.

Nor has it much improved our lives. Genuine poverty is not obviously higher in New Zealand than Australia.

Indeed, the UN’s Human Development Index, which compares living standards across 186 countries, puts both Australia and New Zealand in the top 10.

Our handout fetish has comprehensively ruined some markets: the cost of childcare is much lower in New Zealand despite the per capita public subsidies there being seven times smaller.

To be fair, English didn’t inherit the mess in 2008 Joe Hockey has today. New Zealand came close to bankruptcy in the 1980s, forcing its then Labour government to make drastic free market reforms that make Hawke-Keating Labor seem timid, and which Helen Clark’s government broadly respected.

Swaths of regulation and practically all corporate subsidies were abolished, and social spending was curbed substantially. New Zealand lost its car industry in the late 80s.

What English did inherit, however, was a population less spoiled by handouts and more accepting of the need for dramatic reform to improve long-term prosperity.

Australia is still much richer on paper than New Zealand but it wasn’t always. Australia’s welfare and tax habit will increase the chance of history repeating itself.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807#

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« Reply #2341 on: May 23, 2014, 02:05:23 PM »

I was going to leave this one alone but God it does smell rotten.



Frances Abbott's classmates angry that they could not apply for scholarship

Oliver Laughland and Paul Farrell   
theguardian.com, Thursday 22 May 2014 18.08 AEST   

Current and former students at the Whitehouse Institute of Design have reacted angrily to the revelation that prime minister Tony Abbott’s daughter Frances received an undisclosed scholarship of $60,000 to cover her tuition fees.

Four students – two of whom were classmates of Abbott’s – all said they did not know that the scholarship existed and raised questions over its fairness. Frances was only the second student to receive the award in its 25 year history.

On Wednesday, Guardian Australia revealed that Frances had received a chairman’s scholarship from the institution, with Les Taylor, chairman of the board of governors, later saying he had recommended her personally for the award. Taylor said he had no say in the selection process.

One former Whitehouse student who was in the same class as Frances for three years told Guardian Australia: “It just seems like a free ride and not a scholarship.”

The graduate, who did not want to be named, continued: “When it comes down to it everyone got in off their portfolio. Nobody else was offered a scholarship in any way, shape or form.”

Another former classmate said “There was absolutely no discussion of the scholarship between me or any of the other students while at Whitehouse.

“I don’t think it’s fair. What I think would have been fair is that if that scholarship was available for everybody to apply for it.”

A current student told Guardian Australia that their family had to take out loans to help pay her fees and the news about the scholarship made them “almost embarrassed to be associated with the school”.

“I’ve never been made aware of any scholarship,” the student said, “I live eight hours away from Sydney. I picked up my entire life and moved to the other side of the state to be a part of this institute. I’ve asked about scholarships to make it easier on myself and my family financially but every time I’ve been told there are none available.”

Another current student told Guardian Australia: “We’re constantly commenting on the fact that we’re paying so much money. There’s not been a person that we knew of, up until now, that’s been getting even a discount let alone $60,000 waived completely.

“That’s why we’re so upset because we were told there are no scholarships, there’s no other way around this, you have to pay to have Whitehouse on your resume.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/former-classmates-angry-scholarship-abbotts-daughter
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« Reply #2342 on: May 23, 2014, 02:26:39 PM »

and now this...

DFAT anger over Louise Abbott's foreign affairs job
 
May 23, 2014 - 1:03PM

Phillip Thomson and Noel Towell

Some foreign affairs staff are annoyed Prime Minister Tony Abbott's daughter Louise is working at Australia's embassy in Geneva which is headed by former Coalition staffer Peter Woolcott.

But a spokesman for the Department of Foreign of Affairs and Trade says the job helping represent Australia to the United Nations was awarded on the basis of merit.

Jealousy over plum jobs in overseas locations is a staple of workplace life at DFAT, but departmental insiders say there are concerns over Ms Abbott being hired in Geneva, given the political connections of the mission's boss.

Mr Woolcott was chief of staff to foreign minister Alexander Downer from 2002 to 2004 while on secondment from the department.

He has been a career officer for the department since the early 1980s.

He was appointed ambassador in Geneva in 2010 and Louise Abbott began work at the Australian mission as an executive assistant to the mission in September 2012, when Labor was in federal government.

There is internal disquiet at Foreign Affairs HQ in Canberra about what some staff see as a lack of transparency in the hiring and how Ms Abbott came to be doing high-level work such as delivering a public statement on disarmament when there are up to 14 policy specialist attached to the mission


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dfat-anger-over-louise-abbotts-foreign-affairs-job-20140523-zrloo.html#ixzz32VeqRwYb
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/dfat-anger-over-louise-abbotts-foreign-affairs-job-20140523-zrloo.html#ixzz32VeeWiaH
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« Reply #2343 on: May 23, 2014, 05:27:34 PM »
Maybe they are really talented girls?  ;D

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« Reply #2344 on: May 23, 2014, 07:02:23 PM »
Lets model our economy and spending on NZ and Asian countries because they spend less on welfare.

Their economy and standard of living is better, right?  :lol

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« Reply #2345 on: May 23, 2014, 07:24:07 PM »
WELFARE WHINGERS, LOOK AT NZ

Adam Creighton
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23rd May 2014


Our health spending is indulgent by comparison

THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.

Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.

The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).

Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.

The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.

If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.

Australians’ hysterical reaction to the Coalition’s first budget must bemuse New Zealanders, especially since Treasurer Bill English said last week that he would cut public spending as a share of gross domestic product by more than twice as much as the Abbott government has announced.

In fact, without a minerals boom to line government coffers and despite a huge repair bill from two devastating earthquakes, New Zealand’s budget will be back in surplus by $NZ400 million ($370m) next financial year, rising to $NZ3.5bn by 2018.

English, now in his sixth year as New Zealand’s Treasurer, commendably chose not to emulate the world’s greatest treasurer Wayne Swan and kept a tight leash on public spending before and after the global financial crisis, preferring to cut income taxes and lift consumption tax. The Key government, facing election again later this year, is now reaping the rewards.

While Australia’s economy is lumbering back to trend growth, New Zealand is enjoying a boom, its economy predicted to grow 4 per cent this year and 3 per cent next without pushing up inflation. The country’s unemployment rate is projected to fall to 4.4 per cent during the next few years as ours hovers around 6 per cent.

Apart from a bloated public sector and a wellspring of whingeing, what does Australia get for its vastly more indulgent public spending? Much higher taxes, for one thing. The marginal income rate most Australians will pay from July — 34.5 per cent — will be higher even than New Zealand’s top 33 per cent rate, which makes a mockery of our 49 per cent top rate, which will be higher than China’s and France’s.

It hasn’t made us happier. Even rising interest rates have been unable to dent record high confidence levels among New Zealand households and businesses, while Australians’ mood has oscillated between gloomy and indifferent for months.

Nor has it much improved our lives. Genuine poverty is not obviously higher in New Zealand than Australia.

Indeed, the UN’s Human Development Index, which compares living standards across 186 countries, puts both Australia and New Zealand in the top 10.

Our handout fetish has comprehensively ruined some markets: the cost of childcare is much lower in New Zealand despite the per capita public subsidies there being seven times smaller.

To be fair, English didn’t inherit the mess in 2008 Joe Hockey has today. New Zealand came close to bankruptcy in the 1980s, forcing its then Labour government to make drastic free market reforms that make Hawke-Keating Labor seem timid, and which Helen Clark’s government broadly respected.

Swaths of regulation and practically all corporate subsidies were abolished, and social spending was curbed substantially. New Zealand lost its car industry in the late 80s.

What English did inherit, however, was a population less spoiled by handouts and more accepting of the need for dramatic reform to improve long-term prosperity.

Australia is still much richer on paper than New Zealand but it wasn’t always. Australia’s welfare and tax habit will increase the chance of history repeating itself.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807#


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« Reply #2346 on: May 24, 2014, 12:27:28 AM »
WELFARE WHINGERS, LOOK AT NZ

Adam Creighton
The Australian
23rd May 2014


Our health spending is indulgent by comparison

THE Kiwis may consistently flog Australia in rugby, but if welfare and whingeing were a competition we would be the undisputed champion.

Even after Joe Hockey’s tough budget, Australia’s welfare mountain will still dwarf anything across the Tasman.

The culmination of almost two decades of mainly populist budgets, the Abbott government will spend $6200 a person on cash welfare next year, over 25 per cent more than New Zealand’s government will on each of its citizens (converting all amounts to Australian dollars).

Education spending, at $2900 a person, is 10 per cent more generous in Australia but health expenditure is torrential by comparison: Australian state and federal governments will lavish more than $4600 a person to keep Australians alive and healthy, almost 50 per cent more than is spent in New Zealand. No methodological quibble could bridge such stark differences.

The relative splurge extends to hiring, too. Australia’s population of 23.5 million is about 5.2 times New Zealand’s, but as of June last year we had 8.4 times as many public servants: 1.89 million across our state, federal and local governments compared with New Zealand’s 226,000.

If the federal government overnight reduced welfare, health and education spending to New Zealand levels it would be rolling in a $40 billion budget surplus next year rather than wallowing in deficit until 2018 or even later.

Australians’ hysterical reaction to the Coalition’s first budget must bemuse New Zealanders, especially since Treasurer Bill English said last week that he would cut public spending as a share of gross domestic product by more than twice as much as the Abbott government has announced.

In fact, without a minerals boom to line government coffers and despite a huge repair bill from two devastating earthquakes, New Zealand’s budget will be back in surplus by $NZ400 million ($370m) next financial year, rising to $NZ3.5bn by 2018.

English, now in his sixth year as New Zealand’s Treasurer, commendably chose not to emulate the world’s greatest treasurer Wayne Swan and kept a tight leash on public spending before and after the global financial crisis, preferring to cut income taxes and lift consumption tax. The Key government, facing election again later this year, is now reaping the rewards.

While Australia’s economy is lumbering back to trend growth, New Zealand is enjoying a boom, its economy predicted to grow 4 per cent this year and 3 per cent next without pushing up inflation. The country’s unemployment rate is projected to fall to 4.4 per cent during the next few years as ours hovers around 6 per cent.

Apart from a bloated public sector and a wellspring of whingeing, what does Australia get for its vastly more indulgent public spending? Much higher taxes, for one thing. The marginal income rate most Australians will pay from July — 34.5 per cent — will be higher even than New Zealand’s top 33 per cent rate, which makes a mockery of our 49 per cent top rate, which will be higher than China’s and France’s.

It hasn’t made us happier. Even rising interest rates have been unable to dent record high confidence levels among New Zealand households and businesses, while Australians’ mood has oscillated between gloomy and indifferent for months.

Nor has it much improved our lives. Genuine poverty is not obviously higher in New Zealand than Australia.

Indeed, the UN’s Human Development Index, which compares living standards across 186 countries, puts both Australia and New Zealand in the top 10.

Our handout fetish has comprehensively ruined some markets: the cost of childcare is much lower in New Zealand despite the per capita public subsidies there being seven times smaller.

To be fair, English didn’t inherit the mess in 2008 Joe Hockey has today. New Zealand came close to bankruptcy in the 1980s, forcing its then Labour government to make drastic free market reforms that make Hawke-Keating Labor seem timid, and which Helen Clark’s government broadly respected.

Swaths of regulation and practically all corporate subsidies were abolished, and social spending was curbed substantially. New Zealand lost its car industry in the late 80s.

What English did inherit, however, was a population less spoiled by handouts and more accepting of the need for dramatic reform to improve long-term prosperity.

Australia is still much richer on paper than New Zealand but it wasn’t always. Australia’s welfare and tax habit will increase the chance of history repeating itself.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/opinion/welfare-whingers-look-at-nz/story-fnc2jivw-1226927507807#


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New Zealand has a much higher debt-to-GDP ratio.  It was pretty close to ours in 2008 before the GFC hit but has increased more than ours since the GFC hit.



http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/economics/government-debt_gov-debt-table-en
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/government-debt-to-gdp

So to argue NZ didn't go further and further into debt during and post-GFC is nonsense. 

Pre-GFC NZ had a lower unemployment rate than Australia yet post-GFC it's been higher.

NZ had a higher GST rate pre-GFC and raised it from 12.5% to 15% in 2011. Quite easy to generate more government revenue when you raise consumer taxes  ::). No way have they gone down the route of the type of cuts attacking the most vulnerable members of society such as aged pensioners we've seen in the Abbott-Hockey budget either.

What helped the Kiwis was the sale of state-owned energy assets and that dairy export prices are still booming which is their biggest export industry and they have had a much lower dollar which is better for exporters and as a result the flow on effect of higher corporate tax revenue to their Government.   

NZ doesn't have an archaic 3-tier political system either where one tier of government can just pass the buck to another tier  :P.
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« Reply #2347 on: May 24, 2014, 05:17:18 AM »
More on that scholarship.

Mystery over scholarship for Abbott's daughter
 
May 24, 2014
Daisy Dumas Saffron Howden Dan Harrison

Disappointed university students reacting to cuts in higher education have an unlikely target in Prime Minister Tony Abbott's daughter Frances as details of her scholarship at a private college remain cloaked in mystery.

The 22-year-old was awarded an unadvertised and very rare $60,636 scholarship to the Whitehouse Institute of Design, chaired by Liberal Party donor and Abbott friend, Les Taylor, in 2011.

The substantial award meant the PM's middle daughter was required to pay just $7546 towards her three-year bachelor's degree in design from which she graduated with distinction in February.

Four days after the revelations emerged, the Surry Hills college is yet to shed light on the secretive scholarship system. Despite the award being known as the Chairman's Scholarship, Mr Taylor, chairman of Whitehouse's board of governors, said he did not know how scholars were selected. ''I'm a semi-retired lawyer, I wouldn't know what criteria you go through to make an assessment of somebody,'' he said on Friday.

Fairfax Media repeatedly contacted Whitehouse chief executive and spokesman Ian Tudor, who is in Jakarta, for comment. Mr Tudor did not respond to detailed questions but released a statement on Wednesday confirming ''that Whitehouse has given scholarships for at least 10 years'' and that Ms Abbott's scholarship was the Chairman's Scholarship, which is awarded occasionally.

''Frances was the second recipient. I understand that the selection of Frances was done at arm's length from the chairman by the owner, founder and managing director of the institute, Leanne Whitehouse,'' Mr Tudor said.

Mr Taylor denied that the undergraduate scholarship had any political ties. ''Of course, it's not linked to a favour to Tony Abbott,'' he said. ''I don't owe Tony Abbott any favours.''

The former Commonwealth Bank general counsel this week conceded that he ''probably'' commended Ms Abbott. ''I probably did say to someone at Whitehouse, 'Frances is a nice girl or something, good family, works hard, I reckon she'd do well'.''

Mr Abbott has denied having any influence over the college and its awards and on Friday at a news conference in Campbelltown he dismissed questions over the scholarship as ''a bit of dirt digging''. He did not publicly disclose the scholarship as it was merit based, rather than a gift, and he has repeatedly underlined his daughter's academic ability.

However, documents obtained by news website New Matilda show that Ms Abbott was pursued for the award. She was contacted four times by the college before finally meeting founder Leanne Whitehouse on February 18, 2011, when she was offered the Chairman's Scholarship.

New information obtained by the news site indicates that Ms Abbott is to begin a master's degree in design at the college this year, a new course that was formally accredited in January, just weeks after the PM was reportedly publicly chided about the costs of accreditation at a function on the college's Surry Hills campus. New Matilda claims to have information that suggests Ms Abbott's fees for the master's degree have been waived.

A spokeswoman for Mr Abbott said he had no private conversations with TEQSA, the tertiary education government agency, and made no inquiries or representations on behalf of the college to secure accreditation. TEQSA has confirmed that Whitehouse went through two levels of assessment to gain accreditation for its new master's course. Materials lodged as part of the college's application to the agency feature a case study of Frances Abbott.

Ms Abbott is working as a teacher's aide at Whitehouse's Melbourne campus where she intends to continue her studies, the PM's office confirmed. ''As the course has not commenced, she is yet to enrol,'' the spokeswoman said.

Former Whitehouse faculty member Monique Rappell said she tried to get a scholarship for a very good student who had run out of funding and ''I couldn't get it even though she was the top student in her degree course''.

A classmate of Ms Abbott said she and other students were not aware of an academic award covering the course cost.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/mystery-over-scholarship-for-abbotts-daughter-20140523-38ufs.html#ixzz32ZGdh2ZZ
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« Reply #2348 on: May 24, 2014, 03:05:36 PM »

I don't suppose you have to "hold out" if Dad is the PM.

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Unemployed have 'no right to hold out for dream job': PM Tony Abbott
 
May 24, 2014 - 12:47PM

Michaela Whitbourn

Investigations reporter

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has declared that people on unemployment benefits have "no right" to hold out for their dream job and should take any position they are reasonably able to do.

"If there is a job available you don't really have the option of failing to accept it if the alternative is life on unemployment benefits," Mr Abbott said in South Australia on Saturday.

"A condition of receiving unemployment benefits in this country under both Labor and Liberal governments has been that you've got to look for work and you've got to accept any work that you can reasonably do."

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/unemployed-have-no-right-to-hold-out-for-dream-job-pm-tony-abbott-20140524-zrn26.html#ixzz32beo9mDP
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« Reply #2349 on: May 25, 2014, 11:19:28 AM »
The budget is not an economics budget, it is an ideology budget.

First there is no budget crisis.

Australia has the third lowest debt to Gross Domestic Product ratio of all the OECD countries, so therefore the whole world must be in a budget crisis? But no, our government wants us to believe that we are on par with the PIGS that have more debt than GDP, and are now wanting to implement austerity measure similar to what they were forced to ( Which has not improved their bottom line)

Australia still holds a AAA credit rating, the highest possible. This means the fascist bully boys that make these decisions regard Australia to be in the best possible position to service the debt. Obviously these custodians of the capitalist system don't see Australia as having a budget crisis.

This budget is designed to cut consumption. Peter Costello whom was a very competent (at least) treasurer ha warned in the dangers of this. yet abbot has said that is the intent.
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Everything about this budget is calculated to boost the long term strength of the economy; spending less on consumption

So what he is saying is that he does not want consumers to spend, and who does this hurt?

Primarily small business, but equally as important, the government. Costello understands how important consumption is, after all his government became the highest taxing government in our history due to the introduction of a consumption tax.

But Mr Rabbit doesnt want consumers to spend money, so small business, (as will some larger ones especially in the retail trade) will suffer, many will go to the wall. This will result in many many less jobs being available, so more people in the short term on welfare, while the governements main source of revenue will decline. Every time money changes hands the government gets 10%. when  a consumer goes into a store,(except supemarkets, mainly owned by one of two large corporations) the goverment gets 10% of the money that changes hands and the remainder goes towards the owner and/or the employees, who then hopefully go and spend that money somewhere else, and the cycle continues. The more money changes hands the better it benfits everyone, the government included

Abbot wants to break that cycle. It makes no economic sense.

On the other hand they are falling head over heels to approve large projects, by in part reducing the importance of environmental impact in approving.

$400 m worth since the election. 

Now, who does this benefit? Large business of course.

Naturally this will create some jobs, but remember MR Rabbit doesnt want these people to spend their wages, so the overall benefits to the economy (and therefore government revenue) are not that great. when you take into account that many of the corporations undertaking these projects are at least partially intentionally owned, so therefore a lot of the money will leave the country (unlike when small business are flourishing), which again has very little benefit to the economy.

This falls right in line with who the budget hurts the most, the smaller battler, while looking after the big end of town, which is pretty much the ideology of the liberal party.

It is not a budget based sound sound economics ( as Costello has pointed out), but one based on Mr Rabbits Tea Party ideologies


As for people complaining about negative gearing, obviously they are unaware of the what happened when Bob Hawke scrapped it.

The arse fell out of the construction industry, lots of lost jobs and it pushed the price of housing up.

A shortage of rental properties, which naturally pushed the rental prices ups.

A double whammy and nowhere to hide ( or live) Aren't the mechanisms of supply and demand just wonderful?

No wonder they reinstated it, and it's unlikely to be scrapped again. Someone has to build the houses for people to rent, and negative gearing provides an incentive for this to happen. Remove it and those with money just find somewhere else to invest, and those who can least afford it find it harder to put a roof over their head.
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« Reply #2350 on: May 25, 2014, 05:27:48 PM »


An important contribution to the critique of consumer capitalism has been made by the French philosopher Bernard Stiegler, but very little of this has been translated into English. Stiegler argues that capitalism today is governed not by production but by consumption, and that the techniques used to create consumer behavior amount to the destruction of psychic and collective individuation. The diversion of libidinal energy toward the consumption of consumer products, he argues, results in an addictive cycle, leading to hyperconsumption, the exhaustion of desire, and the reign of symbolic misery.[3
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« Reply #2351 on: May 26, 2014, 06:06:28 AM »

They lied before the election and they are still lying to us now.

Debt: the big lie on which Abbott built a budget
 
May 23, 2014

Kenneth Davidson
Senior columnist at The Age

The 2014 federal budget is built on the big lie that the Australian economy is facing a debt crisis. The proposition that the ‘‘debt and deficit’’ had to be reduced was the excuse for the even bigger lie before the election that there would be no surprises, no cuts to health, education or public broadcasting and no tax increases.

Post-election, it was explained that these promises had to give way to the national interest – defined as reducing government debt. To demands by critics of the budget that the government at least admit that it had been lying in the run-up to the election, the response was along the lines of, ‘‘You haven’t been listening, we always said that dealing with the deficit was always our first priority and that in government we found that Labor had covered up the full extent of the debt problem’’.

The truth is, the Commonwealth doesn’t have a debt problem. Estimated net debt in 2013-14 is $197.8 billion, or 12 per cent of gross domestic product – one of the lowest of the mature industrial countries.
If Australia was a corporation, the directors (cabinet ministers) would be likely to be accused of running a ‘‘lazy balance sheet’’ and booted out by shareholders (voters).

There is no reason a government shouldn’t increase its debt if it has unemployed labour resources, growing unemployment, an absence of inflation and inflationary expectations, record low interest rates and – given wise governance – opportunities for investment where the social and economic return on the investment is higher than the cost of capital.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/debt-the-big-lie-on-which-abbott-built-a-budget-20140523-zrlxl.html#ixzz32lAFiqTc
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Tony and the Libs are completely stuffed and it is all their own fault

Arrogant bastards.

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Budget bombshells could blow up in Tony Abbott's face
 
May 29, 2014 - 9:46PM
 
Mark Kenny

Chief political correspondent


A quartet of aged care residents sought the assistance of their local member last week. Clive Palmer had never met the women, who told him they had been lifelong Liberal-Nationals voters. No longer.

Their nursing home’s practice of withholding their aged pension cheques, while handing back a modest $15 each for minor luxuries such as chocolates, is set to end. But not in a good way.

Due to the forthcoming GP ‘‘co-payment’’, they were reportedly advised, the remaining $15 would also be withheld to offset expected GP costs.

On Wednesday night Tony Abbott acknowledged the obvious unpopularity of the GP measure, describing it as ‘‘perhaps the most difficult policy change in this budget’’.

He justified it, however, on the largely ideological grounds of establishing a price signal on doctor consultations – yet another case of the confused messaging in this budget, which is otherwise all about fiscal repair in the face of debt and deficit disaster.

But it remains deeply questionable whether, on either grounds, the $7 payment is worth the political pain.

To say it is trouble is an understatement. Labor hates it, as do the Greens, and it’s clear Palmer hates it too. Which accounts for the current Senate and probably the newly configured red chamber from July.

Marginal-seat Liberals worry such trenchant parliamentary and public opposition may come to account for them too in time – in the unlikely event that it can be legislated.

As voters keep saying, no doctor fee was ever mentioned before the election (nor, incidentally, before the Western Australian Senate byelection in April this year).

Even if it does go down, there are plenty of other objectionables in the budget and no clear path for them either.

While Labor waved through the temporary deficit levy on the rich on Wednesday, other broken promises seem doomed.

Even those things that had been expected to garner Greens support – the petrol tax rise and the paid parental leave scheme – can no longer be safely assumed. If anything, attitudes in Canberra are hardening.


Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/budget-bombshells-could-blow-up-in-tony-abbotts-face-20140529-zrrsl.html#ixzz339Y8U0JI
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