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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #60 on: March 01, 2011, 12:22:23 PM »
Dunno why people give a sh it.

Move on with your lives.

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #61 on: March 01, 2011, 12:39:34 PM »
Dunno why people give a sh it.

Move on with your lives.

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2011, 01:15:44 PM »
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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2011, 01:20:51 PM »
Morton tweet about Cass:

"Shout out to young trav casserly. Poor bloke was sick day of a grand final and didn't know he was doing the wrong thing :( chin up mate"

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Swan Districts to fight Casserly ban (West Australian)
« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2011, 01:32:40 PM »
Swans to fight Casserly ban
Dale Miller
The West Australian
March 1, 2011


A shell-shocked Swan Districts will appeal against a two-year ban for a positive drug test arising from last year's WAFL grand final that has torbreaded the AFL aspirations of Travis Casserly.

WAFL Tribunal chairman Paul Heaney yesterday delivered a shattering verdict for the 23-year-old in choosing to uphold an Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority recommendation to apply the maximum ban.

The decision has ended Casserly's hopes of securing the final rookie position at Richmond where he has been training since December.

The Tigers must decide on the rookie spot between the NAB Cup grand final and the start of the premiership season.

Any appeal process by Casserly is certain to extend beyond that deadline.

Casserly pleaded his innocence at a hearing last Thursday night in a bid for leniency after returning a positive test for the restricted substance pseudoephedrine, having been tested in the wake of Swans' one-point victory over Claremont in last year's grand final.

The defender claimed he took one 60mg Sudafed tablet before the game and one at half-time to treat a long-term hay fever condition on the understanding the dosage should not have taken him over the allowable limit.

But Heaney's assessment was particularly damning. He effectively labelled Casserly a drug cheat in saying he was satisfied the player had taken pseudoephedrine with the intent of enhancing sporting performance.

"I am satisfied that the high reading of pseudoephedrine found in player Casserly's urine sample indicated that his use of the substance went beyond the therapeutic to the enhancement of his sporting performance and that it was his intent for it to do so," Heaney said.

Under the world anti-doping code, a pseudoephedrine concentration above 150 micrograms per millilitre is considered a positive test. The reading on Casserly's A sample was 240 and on the B sample it was 230.

The length of the ban is the same given to East Perth midfielder Dean Cadwallader, who tested positive for an anabolic steroid last year.

The penalty will prevent Casserly from playing or training with any football club and has been backdated to October 18 last year.

It is understood the two-year penalty is unprecedented for a positive test involving pseudoephedrine anywhere in the world.

Three months is the most severe punishment previously delivered.

Pseudoephedrine was returned to the worldwide list of restricted or banned substances only last year, but Heaney said the onus was on the player to check if the substance was prohibited under the AFL anti-doping code.

WAFC football director Grant Dorrington said the ruling sent a simple message that any footballer who took an illegal substance was playing Russian roulette with their future.

"I think there's a message to every sport and every athlete, don't put anything in your mouth or inject in any way unless you know from someone with medical advice," Dorrington said.

"And by the way, this is a drug bought over the counter that we can all take every day. Don't do it unless you get checked."

Runners-up Claremont have always maintained they will not challenge the result of the grand final regardless of any findings against Casserly.

Casserly, who will not be stripped of his premiership medallion, will stay in Melbourne to reassess his situation as Swans plan their appeal. The club can appeal against the ruling before a WAFL Tribunal panel or by going to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

A Richmond spokesman said Casserly would not train with the club until the appeal process was over.

Swans football operations general manager Phil Smart said the club was shocked, believing Heaney had made a mistake.

"The ASADA website is quite clear that if you take three Sudafed tablets of 60mg you will go over, you will have a positive reading," Smart said. "He took two and that wasn't challenged by ASADA."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/-/wafl/8928370/swans-to-fight-casserly-ban/

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Doc Larkins says Casserly shouldn't have taken two Sudafed tablets (MMM)
« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2011, 01:42:42 PM »
Dr Peter Larkins Says Suspended Richmond Rookie Hopeful Travis Casserly Should Not Have Taken Two Sudafed Tablets
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Triple M Footy’s Dr Peter Larkins has told The Hot Breakfast on Tuesday that Richmond rookie hopeful Travis Casserly was ill-advised to take two Sudafed tablets during last year’s WAFL Grand Final.

Casserly, who was competing for the final spot on the Tigers’ rookie list this year, had his AFL dream dashed on Monday when he received the maximum two-year suspension recommended by the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority for testing positive to pseudoephedrine.

While Casserly claimed he had the elevated levels of the substance in his system due to taking a tablet before and at half-time of the match to treat hay fever coupled with being dehydrated, our very own Dr Smooth said he was playing Russian roulette by taking that course of action.

“Instruction to athletes has been if you’re going to use it on match day, be careful which dose you use because it comes in different sizes and don’t take more than one because you risk going over the limit,” The Doc told Triple M’s Hot Breakfast.

“(Casserly was) ill-advised in the sense that to take two on a day when you’re competing, and it may have been warm, he may have been dehydrated so the likely level that you’re going to record (would be elevated).”

“You’re allowed to record a level, it’s a bit like the old caffeine story that you’re allowed to have a cup of coffee but you can’t take six NoDoz (caffeine tablets).”

“It comes down to what instruction he was given by the WAFL doctor, the players are usually instructed to within an inch of their life about what they should and shouldn’t take.”

The Doc said that Casserly should have sought a different way to deal with his condition on the day.

“The real strong message is don’t take anything at all unless you’ve clarified it with someone who understands the medical consequences,” he told Triple M’s Hot Breakfast.

“At that half-time point when he’s saying, ‘look, the hay fever’s playing up, I don’t think I’m going to be able to run out the game’, or ‘I’m going to be breathless’, or whatever he was complaining (about), he needed to look at an alternative.”

“Either a nasal spray or something else that was going to give him benefit rather than going for another (pseudoephedrine) dose of 60 milligram, which is a medium-sized-dose Sudafed tablet.”

But Casserly has found an ally in Luke Darcy who believes, on the surface of it, the 23-year-old has been harshly dealt with.

“I would have done the same,” Luke said. “If you’re playing in a grand final, you’re crook and you’ve got a head cold and you get yourself right and at half-time you’ve pushed yourself and you’re thinking, ‘you know what? It’s coming back again, I need to play well in the second half’, I’m not sure you’re gaining an advantage.”

Casserly will appeal his suspension.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sport/afl/news/blog/dr-peter-larkins-says-suspended-richmond-rookie-hopeful-travis-casserly-should-not-have-taken-two-sudafed-tablets/20110301-bjxb.html

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #66 on: March 01, 2011, 02:24:54 PM »
To correct your statement WP - the ONLY penalty for this type of offence is 2 years.  It's up to him to satisfy the conditions for a reduction or removal on appeal.  He failed to do that so ASADA and the WAFL had no choice - 2 years it is.
Clearly this isn't true given the maximum ban handed out previously is only 3 months. His punshment is 800% of the maximum ban anyone has ever received before. Out of whack a bit?

Cortisone aint banned that's the difference
Neither is pseudoephadrine at certain levels and given readings can be affected by things such as hydration levels its not that easy to know when you're at your limit. It's not like having a few drinks when you can generally feel the effects of going over the limit.

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #67 on: March 01, 2011, 02:45:36 PM »
To correct your statement WP - the ONLY penalty for this type of offence is 2 years.  It's up to him to satisfy the conditions for a reduction or removal on appeal.  He failed to do that so ASADA and the WAFL had no choice - 2 years it is.
Clearly this isn't true given the maximum ban handed out previously is only 3 months. His punshment is 800% of the maximum ban anyone has ever received before. Out of whack a bit?


The maximum ban that has been given in the world to a sportsman so far.

But, the AFL's Anti-Doping Policy clearly states:

14. SANCTIONS
14.1 Ineligibility for Presence, Use or Attempted Use, or Possession of Prohibited Substances and Prohibited Methods.
The period of Ineligibility imposed for a violation of Clause 11.1 (presence of Prohibited Substance or its Metabolites or Markers), Clause 11.2 (Use or Attempted Use of Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method) and Clause 11.6 (Possession of Prohibited Substances and Methods) shall be as follows, unless the conditions for eliminating or reducing the period of Ineligibility, as provided in Clauses 14.3 and 14.4, or the conditions for increasing the period of Ineligibility, as provided in Clause 14.5, are met:

First violation: Two (2) years' Ineligibility


Can't be much more clear cut than that, no minimums, no maximums, just 2 years fixed.  He knew what he was risking when he did it - either as an act of stupidity or an act of dishonesty - but he knew regardless.

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #68 on: March 01, 2011, 04:01:13 PM »
Neither is pseudoephadrine at certain levels and given readings can be affected by things such as hydration levels its not that easy to know when you're at your limit. It's not like having a few drinks when you can generally feel the effects of going over the limit.

Exactly right but he was over the allowed levels - that's not in dispute

Whether this was caused by being de-hydrated or something else; again it is irrelevant the player & doctor shouldn't have gone ahead with popping another sudafed.

When in doubt don't take it! Surely this isn't a difficult concept to grasp for players and & medicos

As I said blame the player, blame the doctor fact is his readings are way over the level and he has copped the penalty.



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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #69 on: March 01, 2011, 05:24:44 PM »
This is farcical.

Explain how cortisone injections are less performance enhancing then a cold and flu tablet.


Cortisone aint banned that's the difference

Farcical or not the rules whether you agree or or not are very clear regarding what's banned and what the penalty is

The drug found in his test is a banned substance under the rules as they currently stand - end of story

The penalty is what is is under the ASADA rules - end of story

Blame the player, blame the doctor blame whoever you like but he has been penalised under the ASADA rules - end of story

If this was a player from another club rather than a possible RFC rookie who'd been handed the same penalty would people still be so anti the decision?

Your 100% right WP its in stated the rules but nothing in life is ever black in white.

Not all murder/rape sentences get maximum penalties.

As far as Cortisone goes, you're right its not banned, my point was if they penalised him on grounds of "performance enhancing". How is the performance enhancement of a cold and flu the maximised enhancement possible? Surely they asked tat question when they said should he get the maximum? Will this be consistant to the worst case of performance enhancing?

I think we'd all agree taking a cortisone injection to numb the feeling of a broken foot ala Trent Croad in 2008 Grand Final is alot more performance in hancing then a Sudafed.

He's taken a banned substance that we've all taken many times in our lives and has gone without the rules. I'm not saying his not guilty I'm saying punishing the kid for taking a flu tablet at the maximum penalty is ludicrous. What if Buddy Franklin is hospitalised for excessive use of a banned steroid. Or Brett Deledio for a high amount of EPO, they'll get 2 years, same as Flu Tablet?

Compare Steroid or EPO use to a sudafed tablet and the AFL starts to look very very stupid. Should have got 6 months max.
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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2011, 05:26:55 PM »
Neither is pseudoephadrine at certain levels and given readings can be affected by things such as hydration levels its not that easy to know when you're at your limit. It's not like having a few drinks when you can generally feel the effects of going over the limit.

Exactly right but he was over the allowed levels - that's not in dispute

Whether this was caused by being de-hydrated or something else; again it is irrelevant the player & doctor shouldn't have gone ahead with popping another sudafed.

When in doubt don't take it! Surely this isn't a difficult concept to grasp for players and & medicos

As I said blame the player, blame the doctor fact is his readings are way over the level and he has copped the penalty.





I don't think anyone is saying he's not guilty.

He's stuffed u the doctor has stuffed up but he's been given almost a life sentence for jay walking.
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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #71 on: March 01, 2011, 05:29:55 PM »
Again I come back to this statement

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"I am satisfied that the high reading of pseudoephedrine found in player Casserly's urine sample indicated that his use of the substance went beyond the therapeutic to the enhancement of his sporting performance and that it was his intent for it to do so," Heaney said.

This does not state the level was higher than therapeutic use, but merely that the magistrate ( or whatever he is) believes the high reading (ie above prescribed levels for sportsman) indicates a deliberate attempt to cheat.

This is despite evidence saying that the level found in his system was not even that of therapeutic use and evidence that the lad was dehydrated. This is a highly plausable explaination yet it seems to have been disregarded and more concerning that the onus is on the accused to prove innocence rather than what we consider to be natural justice, that is the onus on the prosecution to prove guilt.

As it turns out the suspension is the highest in the world for such an offence with the next highest being 3 months.

There is either something we are not being told in regards to evidence produced or this is a witch hunt for whatever reason.

Something smells fishy here and it isn't Davey's fingers after a visit to the Dookies
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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #72 on: March 01, 2011, 05:42:46 PM »
Kid? The bloke is nearly a 24yr old adult. Needs to be responsible for his own actions.

Something smells fishy here and it isn't Davey's fingers after a visit to the Dookies

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #73 on: March 01, 2011, 06:48:09 PM »
This is farcical.

Explain how cortisone injections are less performance enhancing then a cold and flu tablet.


Cortisone aint banned that's the difference

Farcical or not the rules whether you agree or or not are very clear regarding what's banned and what the penalty is

The drug found in his test is a banned substance under the rules as they currently stand - end of story

The penalty is what is is under the ASADA rules - end of story

Blame the player, blame the doctor blame whoever you like but he has been penalised under the ASADA rules - end of story

If this was a player from another club rather than a possible RFC rookie who'd been handed the same penalty would people still be so anti the decision?

Your 100% right WP its in stated the rules but nothing in life is ever black in white.

Not all murder/rape sentences get maximum penalties.

As far as Cortisone goes, you're right its not banned, my point was if they penalised him on grounds of "performance enhancing". How is the performance enhancement of a cold and flu the maximised enhancement possible? Surely they asked tat question when they said should he get the maximum? Will this be consistant to the worst case of performance enhancing?

I think we'd all agree taking a cortisone injection to numb the feeling of a broken foot ala Trent Croad in 2008 Grand Final is alot more performance in hancing then a Sudafed.

He's taken a banned substance that we've all taken many times in our lives and has gone without the rules. I'm not saying his not guilty I'm saying punishing the kid for taking a flu tablet at the maximum penalty is ludicrous. What if Buddy Franklin is hospitalised for excessive use of a banned steroid. Or Brett Deledio for a high amount of EPO, they'll get 2 years, same as Flu Tablet?

Compare Steroid or EPO use to a sudafed tablet and the AFL starts to look very very stupid. Should have got 6 months max.

Don't miss the point Pope, that they couldn't give him anything but 2 years.  There is no sliding scale - if you are guilty you get 2 years for your first violation, end of story.  I'm not going to debate if I think it was worth 2 years but there is no argument about how tough the tribunal were - they had no choice - 2 years and not a day less.  His only hope for a reduction or cancellation AFTER the 2 year decision is for him to satisfy the conditions of either 14.3 or 14.4 of the Policy and he failed to do that at his first attempt.  Will need to pull something special out of his hat to convince another panel but at least in our democratic society he has that right.  Good luck to him.

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Re: Cass charged with drug offence
« Reply #74 on: March 01, 2011, 06:52:48 PM »

This is despite evidence saying that the level found in his system was not even that of therapeutic use and evidence that the lad was dehydrated. This is a highly plausable explaination yet it seems to have been disregarded and more concerning that the onus is on the accused to prove innocence rather than what we consider to be natural justice, that is the onus on the prosecution to prove guilt.


His 2 samples are the proof of guilt Al.  Now the ball is in his court to prove it wasn't a deliberate attempt to cheat and that is not going to be easy to do, regardless of if he is right or wrong.