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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2011, 11:34:34 PM »
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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2011, 11:39:08 PM »
For example, did you know GG has a third nipple?

And that's just on my balls

Infamy, how can Melbourne say the have signed Viney for 5 years then?? Not having a go just not sure how it works?

Infamy has it wrong.

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Melbourne secured young Viney two years before he is eligible for the draft to eliminate even the remote possibility an imaginative Adelaide might have connived to pinch him under an arrangement via Greater Western Sydney.

In effect, he has been contracted for five years, with a playing contract for the period 2013-15.

He is secure so long as the club is prepared to match the best of any offers from opposition clubs at the 2012 draft.

It will cost Melbourne their first pick.
I most certainly don't have it wrong, Melbourne know he will cost them their first pick in an uncompromised draft next year so will be trying to use the GWS benefits to get him this year for less.

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« Reply #32 on: May 17, 2011, 10:11:44 AM »
Dude, they already have him. Signed. Sealed. Delivered.
They don't need GWS as they are prepared to give up their first pick because Viney is touted as a top 3 pick. It's locked in. Their first round pick next year WILL BE USED FOR FATHER-SON.
Which is why he is already training with them.
FFS.

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« Reply #33 on: May 17, 2011, 10:30:27 AM »
Get it through your head, if they trade through GWS this year to bypass the father son bidding process then they can still have him at the club and still keep their first round pick next year. If they fail to trade with GWS then they can still take him next year with their first pick. They know he'll be there one way or the other, its just a matter of which vehicle they use to do it.


Edit - Link to the Emma Quayle article on this issue is right here.

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« Reply #34 on: May 17, 2011, 11:35:30 AM »
Melbourne have already committed to take him under Father-Son in advance. That is a fact.

Essendon hasn't been able to list one of their father sons in advance, neither has Melbourne with Viney.

Yes, Melbourne have. He has put pen to paper. Get it through your head. You have it wrong.

GWS can't list him as one of the 17yr olds then on-trade him to Melbourne BECAUSE HE HAS ALREADY SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH MELBOURNE.

Melbourne would need that contract torn up, which isn't about to happen. This is different to the Daniher kid who has not signed anything, merely committed to Essendon over Sydney, and the Collingwood bloke.

Sometimes Quayle wouldn't know if her box was on fire.

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« Reply #35 on: May 17, 2011, 11:45:01 AM »
His contract means nothing until such time he is on the senior list via one of the methods the AFL has available for clubs to aquire players. The 5 year deal is purely a statement of intent, not one that is valid now. He can be training at the club now because the AFL allow this for eligible father sons.

GWS absolutely can list him as one of the 17 year olds because they can't pick these 17 year olds themselves, they MUST trade them to another club. His contract with Melbourne means nothing because the AFL won't recognise the contract until he is on a senior list. The contract doesn't mean he gets to bypass the draft, he still needs to register for it as that is how Melbourne will select him. Even Adelaide were hoping to use this rule to get Viney by getting GWS to list him as a player so Adelaide could trade with GWS and get him before Melbourne could take him with their father son selection but they were undone by the fact that GWS doesn't get to pick the 17 year olds they list, it is done during the negotiation process with the club.

Melboune have every right to tell the player that they definitely will take a player under the father son process, however this still doesn't mean he's on the senior list as he's not, he can't play a game with them, he can only train with them which he can do anyway.

Stop being so pig headed and just admit you are wrong.

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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2011, 11:57:39 AM »
Whatever the ins and outs of the GWS sht are, you are wrong that he hasn't been secured in advance. Melbourne have him.

Stop being so pig headed and just admit you are wrong.

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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2011, 01:21:32 PM »
Of course he's going to Melbourne, but he's still not on their list yet. Melbourne still have the opportunity to trade for him with GWS at the end of this year instead of waiting for the end of 2012 to take him as father son.

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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2011, 02:42:21 PM »
 :banghead

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Re: Father-Sons
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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2011, 03:12:34 PM »
:banghead

this
You're telling me... at least I know I'm right
I provided evidence from an article and you just refuse to believe it
Try doing some bloody research to prove me wrong

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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2011, 04:26:51 PM »
you've already been proved wrong about Melbourne securing Viney early, he's there, with his pretend meaningless contract in hand, untouchable by any other club
Tiger-from-Tas now has the answer he was looking for
move on buddy

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Re: Father-Sons
« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2011, 05:53:11 PM »
The only thing you've proven is how wrong you are.

Any father son candidate can train at the club he is eligible for, that is why we had the story many years ago about getting future father son candidates down to the club even when they are 12-16 years old. Viney training at Melbourne now is nothing new and still doesn't mean he is on their list.

Look at the article about the signing of Jack Viney

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Melbourne secured young Viney two years before he is eligible for the draft to eliminate even the remote possibility an imaginative Adelaide might have connived to pinch him under an arrangement via Greater Western Sydney.

In effect, he has been contracted for five years, with a playing contract for the period 2013-15.

He is secure so long as the club is prepared to match the best of any offers from opposition clubs at the 2012 draft.
- So the first two years of the contract are effectively non-AFL related as he cannot play, the 2nd two years are fixed as per the AFL standard player contracts for draftees and he gets a 1 year extension on top of that.
- It refers to the GWS deal that Adelaide were wanting to use but
- It turns out that Melbourne can use the same mechanism to get him on their list sooner and this was reported in the link I provided earlier

Or is this article wrong too?

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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2011, 05:57:15 PM »
that article is correct and states he is secure, well before the draft, which is what Tiger-from-Tas asked and you said wasn't the case
which proves you were wrong  :cheers

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« Reply #44 on: May 17, 2011, 06:03:25 PM »
NO, he is not secure YET, he is secure WHEN the Demons match the highest big in 2012... read the article it's right there in plain text
HOWEVER they can secure him SOONER by dealing with GWS

That has been my point the whole effing time