Behaviour at the Footy

[TigerLand]

With the media going crazy about supporters and racism, bad language, abuse, zero tolerance etc.

I never find any racism comments amusing and have no place anywhere, the Majak Daw incident pathetic. It's reared its head about crowd behaviour and all of a sudden any insulting comments should nwo be banned? Are we getting to high and mighty about crowd behavior?

Can we call Stephen Milne a rapist?
Can we call Brendon Fevola a drunken flog?
Can we call Josh Thurgood a 'Ranga'?
Can we yell out to Lance Whitnall to go eat another pie?
Did we care when opposition supporters yell out Ben Cousins was a coke addict? We all heard it, should it be banned?

Eddie Maguire doesn't think you should be allowed to abuse played "Kick him while he's down?"

Am I allowed to yell out and say "Thats it make him earn it Tigers? If Travis Cloke takes a soft mark and Luke McGuane comes in and barrels him over?

I don't like the martyrs that ring up and say I don't take my kids to the footy because of the abuse they hear. Well thats stupid, the kids miss out on going to the footy because of their laziness. If they want to have their kids in cotton wool that's fine, go up to the top of teh olympic stand you have about 7 rows to yourself.

Bit soft for mine, thoughts?

[DCrane]

Can we call Stephen Milne a rapist? Morally, No. Legally, no. If he has been left unmarked and kicked 5 easy ones against us, Yes
Can we call Brendon Fevola a drunken flog? Yes
Can we call Josh Thurgood a 'Ranga'?Yeah
Can we yell out to Lance Whitnall to go eat another pie? Yes
Did we care when opposition supporters yell out Ben Cousins was a coke addict? Yes, as Ben became one of our own for that short period of time

[Hard Roar Tiger]

In the end, it is the supporter who allows him/herself to be judged when they scream out obscene comments.  Having basic standards when you yell or write should be mandatory after all as George costanzo once said "were living in a society". However, there is no doubt that many posters on this forum will refer to majak daw or buddy or Pearce as the weak dog for complaining about being taunted. It's pathetic and shows up the real dogs. So while dogs walk the earth so too will racist taunts. All of the screaming obscenities  is bs because you don't walk into your tearoom and call a staff member a black this or a drug addicted that. But they are footballers so I guess they deserve it. Btw, I heard majak was taunted because he wanted north to find him a house.

[WilliamPowell]

Two words: Stupid people

There will always be stupid people, who will always say stupid things and that includes racist remarks etc.

Do I condone it - absolutely NOT but I am not sure how despite all the best efforts in the world you can stop stupid people saying stupid things

And can I add having heard that the taunts against Daw happened at Port Melb - can I say I am not surprised in the slightest, lots of stupid feral folk there and some of the stuff I've heard over the years is well er...ummm...well it leaves ya like this 

[bojangles17]

community standards have changed a heck of alot, racist taunts were fairly common a decade or more ago. today they would make me cringe, It's both disgusting and pathetic. those committing the atrocities should face life bans

[10 FLAGS]

No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.

[Infamy]

I think it's fair game unless you are racist and now in the modern day being discriminatory against their sexual orientation.
Perhaps the second one isn't as big an issue yet as no player has come out publically, but most know who some of these players are, but I don't think it is appropriate for supporters to be yelling out homophobic remarks either.

They also mentioned swearing, I don't think I've ever yelled out any insults to players using swearing but I know I do swear too much at the games but I generally don't sit near too many families with kids. Part of the frustration of being a Richmond supporter over the last 25-30 years has been so frustrating that I can't help it if I swear during a game.

[Infamy]

No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.

Absolute crap. If that was the case then everyone is a racist but just knows they need to keep it repressed due to social pressure.
I'm not saying it wouldn't happen from some, but it will only show you their true colours whoever stoops that low.

[10 FLAGS]

No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.

Absolute crap. If that was the case then everyone is a racist but just knows they need to keep it repressed due to social pressure.
I'm not saying it wouldn't happen from some, but it will only show you their true colours whoever stoops that low.

Based on my life in Australia Id say that 80%+ of Australians have engaged in some form of racial abuse at some point and that its still prevalent today. Just look at the indians that were getting bashed, 40 years ago it was the 'lets go after the greeks, italians and other europeans" so I'm not going to tell lies, Australians are not the model example for people who fight against racism. Ok!

[Francois Jackson]

I think Eddie was wrong IMO. Big deal kick him while his down whats wrong with that. Isnt that what Krak did?

I dont care what colour his skin but im sick to death of these thugs being white grey or black, punching up others. Brogan is another.

They are much worse than what Fev ever did.

Racism should not be tolerated but anything else is fair game

 

[TigerLand]

No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.

I understand where your coming from Ramps, it doesn't make it right though.

I've played cricket for 15 years, and we would never accept any racist taunts whether its the first ball of the day, the last whether there is a premiership on the line or not. You just can't say that, plus there are 1000's of better sledges.

[TigerLand]

I think Eddie was wrong IMO. Big deal kick him while his down whats wrong with that. Isnt that what Krak did?

I dont care what colour his skin but im sick to death of these thugs being white grey or black, punching up others. Brogan is another.

They are much worse than what Fev ever did.

Racism should not be tolerated but anything else is fair game

 

I 100% agree. But I'm starting to change my tune.

Just for discussion, is that a fair indication on drawing the line?

Everyone understands why skin colour racism isn't tolerated, why do we tolerate other types of racial abuse. Would you have a dig at someone if an opposition supporter yelled out at Houli for being a terrorist? I heard some clown yell out "get that suicide bomber" at the Essendon game. It nearly ended in a blue.

So is religion the same?

Inf brought up homo sexuality. Its a fact of life a % of people live this sort of life and some will play football. We've all made the odd gay joke. How is that different to someones skin colour? I would also say anti homosexual remarks are 15-20 times more commonly heard than any racial slurs.

So is sexual preference the same?

Again want to bring up someones hair colour as a type of racist call. Its harmless calling a red haired kid a 'range' isn't it? I wouldn't know I'm not one. But how is acceptable to yell our to Matthew Bate "Get that effing Ranga dog" compared to saying to a Liberatore "Get that wog"? Yes its hair colour, but 100 years ago calling someone black or yellow was just a skin colour?
Same with body shape, offensive fat, obese calls are obvious abuse.

Are other physical attributes the same?

[Francois Jackson]

I think Eddie was wrong IMO. Big deal kick him while his down whats wrong with that. Isnt that what Krak did?

I dont care what colour his skin but im sick to death of these thugs being white grey or black, punching up others. Brogan is another.

They are much worse than what Fev ever did.

Racism should not be tolerated but anything else is fair game

 

I 100% agree. But I'm starting to change my tune.

Just for discussion, is that a fair indication on drawing the line?

Everyone understands why skin colour racism isn't tolerated, why do we tolerate other types of racial abuse. Would you have a dig at someone if an opposition supporter yelled out at Houli for being a terrorist? I heard some clown yell out "get that suicide bomber" at the Essendon game. It nearly ended in a blue.

So is religion the same?

Inf brought up homo sexuality. Its a fact of life a % of people live this sort of life and some will play football. We've all made the odd gay joke. How is that different to someones skin colour? I would also say anti homosexual remarks are 15-20 times more commonly heard than any racial slurs.

So is sexual preference the same?

Again want to bring up someones hair colour as a type of racist call. Its harmless calling a red haired kid a 'range' isn't it? I wouldn't know I'm not one. But how is acceptable to yell our to Matthew Bate "Get that effing Ranga dog" compared to saying to a Liberatore "Get that wog"? Yes its hair colour, but 100 years ago calling someone black or yellow was just a skin colour?
Same with body shape, offensive fat, obese calls are obvious abuse.

Are other physical attributes the same?

Okay i dont like that calling someone a terrorost when he is clearly not but i have no problem with someone calling Milne a rapist if it was proven that he indeed was one.

In this case same goes for Krak and same goes for Brogan. You do the crime you cop it sweet over the fence thats what i say.

I also dont agree with calling someone a homo. Thats their choice what they are

General across the fence banter like get the little weed, get the ranger etc etc etc., or stop playing for free kicks Lloyd you weak dog, I have no issue with at all.

I have an issue when you start getting into someone because of their colour, race or background. Thats wrong.

Getting off track but do we agree with Hinchy yelling out pedo criminals names for everyone to hear. I know i do.

Okay pedo's are in a league of their own but a criminal nonetheless just like Krak was and anyone else who decides to bring the law into their own hands.

My boss's son was killed from a behind the head punch in Glen Waverley so excuse me if i dont have any sympothy for convicted criminals.

[FooffooValve]

Sometimes I think that people go to the footy purely to scream abuse at someone or something. They think that being at the football is carte blanche for all kinds of abuse. A few years ago I had to take my kids home at half time - they were pretty young at the time but one of them started to feel physically ill because of the language that was spewing forth from a fellow Richmond supporter in the row behind us. Nothing would stop him, and most of it was directed at our own players.

I don't see why going to the football should be any different from the theatre or anywhere else in public for that matter. You wouldn't stand up in a crowded theatre and spew hatred and vitriol on one of the actors because he fluffed a line, so why should you be able to do it at the football?

The element that is missing from these abusers is humour IMO. Much of the abuse and language is just downright nasty, and intended to hurt. What's the point?

[Eat_em_Alive]

IMO in the case of Majak Daw it is NOT acceptable what was said to him, I think that was less than poor from the crowd member
And in the case of Eddie Maguire, He is a tool- He himself got caught up in an exchange because he didnt like what he heard and tried to turn it around using his media outlet.
There was no racial vilification in this matter, However he tried to fluff it up claiming that it was leading to that..... He is also a physic now Eddie  
Eddie  was the perfect example of a crowd member taking it to far, the guy he was complaining about- there at least one in every bay at the mcg, DEAL with it.
It is part of football, stop trying to make this a whie collar, white glove game.

It was further interesting to see how Brad Darcy was quick to jump into his defence when Wallsy and Quaters were discussing something remotely linked to the issue Last night.
I bet they hold hands under the table whilst they broadcast

Anyway, Racism is NOT ok and Neither is Collingwood, Eddie and their poor attempts to make everything about themselves.