OER - The Coach Sacking Forum

[Stripes]

What's the definition of madness - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Just having a quick scan over the current topics there are multiple threads calling for the coaches head. After 30 years, why is it that so many Tigers supporters still feel that by sacking the coach it will fix up all our problems?! Dimma is only a small part of our problems - he's made a few tactical errors - but getting rid of him now would only cause us more pain rather than less.

Our on-field and off-field woes are the result of countless such rash decisions. Every coach we have hired until Dimma has felt the pressure to appease fans such as you, and therefore traded away picks and never tried the full rebuild through fear of premature termination of their job.

The problems we now face is because of the sins of the past - we are to blame as much as any coach, any recruiter, any board member, any player. Our demand for immediate success has p1ssed away our future. The pressure we have exerted on the club which in turn helped fuel the media to escalate the frenzy, has never given the club time to do the hard yards.

We finally have a CEO and board willing to completely support the head coach with the support staff, recruiters, specialist coaches, trade 'experts' etc Mistakes are going to be made but the coaches role is not to tactically win each and every game but instead to develop the players individually firstly, minor teams (defence/forwards/midfielders etc) secondly and full team last. We are still at the individual stage at present, step one.

Malthouse will not come to our club any time soon if ever. The board are committed to Dimma whether some people on here like it or not. So rather than always point the finger at the coach understand that our problems are not tactical but rather the state of development our players are at and the glaring holes we have in personale.

There are not quick fixes so stop the finger pointing and learn from the mistakes of the past.

[Jackstar is back again]

mmmmm 5 years of Frawley
mmmmm 5 years of Wallace
dont think any of these coaches were premature terminations
Hate to think what happens to the RFC in the next few years if we dont start winning games
As Paul Roos just said on TV, winning games fixes everything, selling homes games doesnt

[Francois Jackson]

At this stage i would agree with you Stripes.

He has made some blunders yep actually quite a few but i dont mind it as long as he starts changing his ways.

Biggest issues i want rectified are things like publicly playing favourites e.g Jackson and Edwards. Very unprofessional.

Another thing i will say is he wont be our coach unless he starts to surround himself with experience. Massive void that needs to be filled.

He needs to stop being their friend and start to put more pressure on players not performing their role.Jackson 2 tackles WTF

I have full praise for the cleanout that he has already done but IMO i will decide if he is the coach to take us forward, come december when the delistings/trade period is done and dusted. Then i will know if he is our man.

[Stripes]

mmmmm 5 years of Frawley
mmmmm 5 years of Wallace
dont think any of these coaches were premature terminations
Hate to think what happens to the RFC in the next few years if we dont start winning games
As Paul Roos just said on TV, winning games fixes everything, selling homes games doesnt

I agree with your quote from Roo's Jack - selling games is a short term money generator but if we can use the money to fund long term changes then perhpas it will be worth it. I have to say, personally, the on-selling of these two games really nicked me off.

In terms of Spud and Wallace's tenue, the length was a direct attempt to stop this reputation and learn from the past. Spuds equally due to his early success whereas Wallace's was in a failed, unresourced attempt to rebuild. The board won't sack the coach prematurely regardless of how much supporters rant, they are backing the path and goals they share with him for the long term.

[Jackstar is back again]

whats of interest is that people want to judge Dimma by who he "'cleans out "'
Thats the easy part of his job, everybody knows who wont be there, even the players themsleves
we will get rid of 8-10 and it isnt hard to work out

[The Big Richo]

The question is do we have the worst record in 30 years because we have had the most coaches or have we had the most coaches because we have the worst record?

[big tone]

Stripes, i remember debating with you long and hard about TW early in his 5th year. Even then you thought he was the right man for the job. It's great that you support the club's decisions but at least open your eyes just a little bit.

What i think is madness is supporting because it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy inside!

[Penelope]

has an afl/vfl coach ever taken over such a basket case and turned things around in two years? Ever?

[Jackstar is back again]

has an afl/vfl coach ever taken over such a basket case and turned things around in two years? Ever?

been plenty
we played finals in 1995 didnt we, guess who

[Penelope]

name them and the years?

[Jackstar is back again]

name them and the years?

the Giesch

[Stripes]

Dimma was brought in fundamentally to develop the players. Wallace was an absent coach when it came to educating his players. This is why so many of our high draft picks never seemed to reach their potential. Dimma hasn't surrounded himself with experience but rather enthusiastic 'ground troops' who can assist him in this development.

Is it working - from my perspective it certainly seems to be. Players such as Vickery, Cotchin, Rance, Grimes, King and Nahas are all better players than they were last year. Dusty was too until he tired (poor conditioning on his return to preseason perhaps) and the new players Conca, Batchelor and Helbig have all shown improvement for first year players. Even Houli and Grigg are better at our club than they were at the Don and the Scum. Foley has returned from injury in good form, not great but good.

The only players I see would have slipped is Jack - new role, injury concerns and confience plus players such as Connors, Morton and Tuck would rather than dip in form seem to lack in the required defensive or desposal skills Dimma demands. Edwards, White, Jackson and Browne are temporary role players. They are the better of two evils currently and with no one pushing them out they will remain. This is not Dimma's coaching, this is holes in our list.

[Jackstar is back again]

has an afl/vfl coach ever taken over such a basket case and turned things around in two years? Ever?

and if you have an experienced coach, its easier,
Hafey at Collingwood
Blight at adelaide
Mark Williams took Port from bottom to top

[Hellenic Tiger]

Premature talk in sacking the coach. He is 38 games into a 3 season contract.
Yep the losses hurt and he has made mistakes but he has time to fix them.

Jack whilst I agree on you on some things its time to let it go with the sacking of the coach.
Tell you what if this time next year we are playing as badly as we have for the past month for the majority of the year then with a handful of games left we may need to look at his achievements or lack of. Until then lets not make things any worse by trying to guess who what why how and when.

We are all hurting and we all have some sort of idea what needs to be addressed and done. Terry left us in a state of disrepair list wise and that's being generous given the 10 or so that need to go this year also. Almost 80% of the list that Dimma inherited two years ago will be gone by October 31.

Yes for some of us the acknowledgement of no finals this year after our last month is a bitter pill as is the fact that the fastrack we thought was on two months ago may or may not have been the case. All I know is that the kids are standing up right now more than the senior players and that to me says something.  Furthermore when we are in a panic or we can't accept failure we seem to inevitably point our knives at the coach, we acknowledge some of these list cloggers need to go maybe we need to point the finger at them rather than the coach.

To finish up, sacking Hardwick would achieve what? Who with what calibre would we attract knowing we sacked DImma. Plus a new coach may only make token changes of a few rookies and a couple of second and third year players and what if they hold onto the so called senior core of Jako Edwards White and co? We would be having this conversation by the Anzac Day round 5 games next year saying how poo the coach is and why do we hang on to list cloggers who bring the team down.

[Jackstar is back again]

Dimma was brought in fundamentally to develop the players. Wallace was an absent coach when it came to educating his players. This is why so many of our high draft picks never seemed to reach their potential. Dimma hasn't surrounded himself with experience but rather enthusiastic 'ground troops' who can assist him in this development.

Is it working - from my perspective it certainly seems to be. Players such as Vickery, Cotchin, Rance, Grimes, King and Nahas are all better players than they were last year. Dusty was too until he tired (poor conditioning on his return to preseason perhaps) and the new players Conca, Batchelor and Helbig have all shown improvement for first year players. Even Houli and Grigg are better at our club than they were at the Don and the Scum. Foley has returned from injury in good form, not great but good.

The only players I see would have slipped is Jack - new role, injury concerns and confience plus players such as Connors, Morton and Tuck would rather than dip in form seem to lack in the required defensive or desposal skills Dimma demands. Edwards, White, Jackson and Browne are temporary role players. They are the better of two evils currently and with no one pushing them out they will remain. This is not Dimma's coaching, this is holes in our list.

now stripes, to have improvement in six players aint good enough
Its need to be the majority of the group, not 6 players
good theory is that if you cant improve 10% on the previous year, you wont be competitve