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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 06:55:41 PM »
don't lay an egg, boony

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 07:58:16 PM »
A lot of people calling for Craig Cameron's head, but can't articulate what he has done wrong. Can anyone actually pinpoint his deficiencies?

Good hair and good football is clearly related. Ask Geoff Raines... If Cameron can't see that he's choosing the worst hairdresser in Australia then how can he possibly run a football club ?


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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 09:46:22 PM »
don't lay an egg, boony

Don't worry Bro, I'v stopped cackling......

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2011, 09:53:02 PM »
A lot of people calling for Craig Cameron's head, but can't articulate what he has done wrong. Can anyone actually pinpoint his deficiencies?

Good hair and good football is clearly related. Ask Geoff Raines... If Cameron can't see that he's choosing the worst hairdresser in Australia then how can he possibly run a football club ?

Bloody good point, he also looks like a fat Tim Brooke-Taylor.
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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2011, 11:22:04 AM »
It's not yet time to point fingers or usurp those running the show. We need to remain united for a while yet.

My view is we're still suffering from the diabolical drafts of '04 & '05 as well as poor recruiting. The Wallet/Miller damage is still being felt.

Cameron & Jackson have done a decent job since but until some of the players taken at that time enter their prime, it's unfair to ask those guys to carry the can for past blunders. Whilst not every pick has been great, they've brought some good talent in. The jury is still out on them. Happy to run with it for another season or two.

March? Done a reasonable job but might be time for a fresh face.


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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2011, 03:43:33 AM »
My issues with Cameron as initially our list manager and then promoted to head of our footy dept....

(i) In his first draft (2008) as list manager we only picked up two kids (Vickery and Post) when we were meant to be rebuilding our list. He then traded a decent 3rd round pick for Adam Thomson who couldn't kick to save himself and as a inside mid couldn't get a game in a bottom 4 Port side that was crying out for inside mids. Cameron gave some garbage reasoning about Thomson being the number 1 clearance player in the AFL per time on ground. Then he used a 4th round pick on Hislop. That kind of recruiting was no different to under Greg Miller's reign who Cameron replaced.

(ii) When Wallace was sacked mid-2009, Cameron by then was head of the footy dept. and should have mapped out plan for the next 3 years to maximise our draft selections and use the draft system and priority pick rules to our advantage. The club knew GC and GWS would hog the 2010-11 drafts and the club knew we were going down the youth path. We had just 2 wins at the midpoint of 2009 so Cameron should have instructed caretaker coach Jade Rawlings to make sure via team selections and matchday match-ups we won no more than 2 more games to gain a end of round 1 priority pick which could have got us one of Nathan Fyfe or Ryan Bastinac. Instead we threw it away winning meaningless games against other bottom sides in the second half of the season.

(iii) Just 4 wins in 2009 would have also set us up to get picks 4 and 6 in the 2010. We knew we had the very young and inexperienced list and a new first-time senior coach and that showed losing the first 9 games. Once again we reached the midpoint of the season with hardly a win on the board and once again threw a chance of getting priority pick winning games in the second half of the season to exceed the 4 win mark. So we could have still got Conca plus one extra top kid such as a Heppel, Lynch or Gaff for example.

So in total not planning to make the most of priority picks on offer in the past two years has cost us another two quality young players who could have played for us alongside Cotch, Martin, Jack and co. for the next decade. It's no point complaining about lack of funds for recruiting if you throw away the chance to gain bonus top 20 draft picks. Sure people can say we screwed up our top picks in 2004-5 but since 2006 when Francis Jackson went full time as a recruiter he has drafted Jack, Cotch, Rance, Vickery, Martin, Griffiths and Conca with our top 20 picks which is a pretty good return. Too bad we were dumb as a club and didn't give him the chance of two more top 20 picks!

(iv) Wasting rookie list spots on keeping or recycling duds such as Hislop and Miller. Richmond has been there done that many times in the past.

(v) Some re-signings have been quite questionable such as giving McGuane as 3 year contract  ???.

(vi) Our fitness staff has basically remained the same since Wallace was still senior coach.


Another thing that needs addressing is we still have a too small and light-weighted playing list. We have an excess of smalls and most aren't up to AFL level. It's no point drafting players under 6ft unless they have exceptional skills, speed and footy smarts.
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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2011, 07:36:08 AM »
totally agree.
would never ever pick any kid in the draft if he wasnt OVER 6ft.2ins
If you look through our list, way too many undersized players

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2011, 07:52:43 AM »
Good posting MT. Looks pretty ugly when you lay it out like that.

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2011, 10:46:02 AM »
totally agree.
would never ever pick any kid in the draft if he wasnt OVER 6ft.2ins
If you look through our list, way too many undersized players

Cotchin ain't 6ft2. Would you have taken Cale Morton (pick 3) over him?

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2011, 11:49:55 AM »
totally agree.
would never ever pick any kid in the draft if he wasnt OVER 6ft.2ins
If you look through our list, way too many undersized players

Cotchin ain't 6ft2. Would you have taken Cale Morton (pick 3) over him?

use some brains, you can have an exception ::)
Also if you needed a small forward, you could trade to get one.
instead of the current situation of having 6-8 midgets at punt rd

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2011, 11:52:21 AM »
I reckon we sack everyone and turn punt road into an environmental theme park for the Laborites to guffaw over  ;D

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2011, 02:29:32 PM »
totally agree.
would never ever pick any kid in the draft if he wasnt OVER 6ft.2ins
If you look through our list, way too many undersized players

Cotchin ain't 6ft2. Would you have taken Cale Morton (pick 3) over him?

use some brains, you can have an exception ::)

Then it ain't 'never ever'  :P

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2011, 02:56:20 PM »
Couldn't agree more MT.

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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #28 on: July 30, 2011, 05:12:46 PM »
So we could have still got Conca plus one extra top kid such as a Heppel, Lynch or Gaff for example.
31 disposals and 2 goals from Gaff today in just his ninth AFL game. Well done Craig I hope you enjoyed those few meaningless second half of the season in recent years that cost us priority picks  ::).

No point supporters bagging the coach and players when the problem has always been higher up the tree at Punt Rd. Such short-sightedness and lack of planning not using the draft system to our advantage given where our list is at is unforgiveable!  :banghead
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Re: Gary March and Craig Cameron Futures at RFC
« Reply #29 on: July 30, 2011, 06:33:37 PM »
My issues with Cameron as initially our list manager and then promoted to head of our footy dept....

(i) In his first draft (2008) as list manager we only picked up two kids (Vickery and Post) when we were meant to be rebuilding our list. He then traded a decent 3rd round pick for Adam Thomson who couldn't kick to save himself and as a inside mid couldn't get a game in a bottom 4 Port side that was crying out for inside mids. Cameron gave some garbage reasoning about Thomson being the number 1 clearance player in the AFL per time on ground. Then he used a 4th round pick on Hislop. That kind of recruiting was no different to under Greg Miller's reign who Cameron replaced.

(ii) When Wallace was sacked mid-2009, Cameron by then was head of the footy dept. and should have mapped out plan for the next 3 years to maximise our draft selections and use the draft system and priority pick rules to our advantage. The club knew GC and GWS would hog the 2010-11 drafts and the club knew we were going down the youth path. We had just 2 wins at the midpoint of 2009 so Cameron should have instructed caretaker coach Jade Rawlings to make sure via team selections and matchday match-ups we won no more than 2 more games to gain a end of round 1 priority pick which could have got us one of Nathan Fyfe or Ryan Bastinac. Instead we threw it away winning meaningless games against other bottom sides in the second half of the season.

(iii) Just 4 wins in 2009 would have also set us up to get picks 4 and 6 in the 2010. We knew we had the very young and inexperienced list and a new first-time senior coach and that showed losing the first 9 games. Once again we reached the midpoint of the season with hardly a win on the board and once again threw a chance of getting priority pick winning games in the second half of the season to exceed the 4 win mark. So we could have still got Conca plus one extra top kid such as a Heppel, Lynch or Gaff for example.

So in total not planning to make the most of priority picks on offer in the past two years has cost us another two quality young players who could have played for us alongside Cotch, Martin, Jack and co. for the next decade. It's no point complaining about lack of funds for recruiting if you throw away the chance to gain bonus top 20 draft picks. Sure people can say we screwed up our top picks in 2004-5 but since 2006 when Francis Jackson went full time as a recruiter he has drafted Jack, Cotch, Rance, Vickery, Martin, Griffiths and Conca with our top 20 picks which is a pretty good return. Too bad we were dumb as a club and didn't give him the chance of two more top 20 picks!

(iv) Wasting rookie list spots on keeping or recycling duds such as Hislop and Miller. Richmond has been there done that many times in the past.

(v) Some re-signings have been quite questionable such as giving McGuane as 3 year contract  ???.

(vi) Our fitness staff has basically remained the same since Wallace was still senior coach.


Another thing that needs addressing is we still have a too small and light-weighted playing list. We have an excess of smalls and most aren't up to AFL level. It's no point drafting players under 6ft unless they have exceptional skills, speed and footy smarts.
sounds an awful lot like a pro tank post. sheesh some of us copped plenty of crap for daring to voice exactly the above  at the time,  what you so eloquently have posted now.

oh on those jackson picks first its easy to ignore the bad and only post the good, second i firmly believe we could have done better with the rance griffiths and conca picks rance in particular as hes been around long enough to make a call .

and finally since 2006 id say nearly all clubs have found at least decent players with their top 20 picks.yeah theres the odd one that has failed but theres not many. ffs you or i could have done reasonably well with top 20 picks without having a footy dept behind ya.

will say it again the roles of head recruiter and list manager are the two most important roles at any afl club. we can never find people good enough and we should always be looking to do better in these areas, especially when those we have barely passes at best.

its only an opinion but to me i would like to see us look for better than jackson he was definately an upgrade on beck  but imo we need to do better.