something positive.

[the claw]

all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA

again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water.  its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.

yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept  our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins  and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.

[Hes My Hero]

all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA

again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water.  its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.

yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept  our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins  and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.

With no disrespect intended Claw.
That actually makes a whole lot of sense. 

[Mr Magic]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

[MADTIGER2010]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:

fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio

Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench

[TigerTimeII]

all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA

again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water.  its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.

yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept  our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins  and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.

u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little

BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!

look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
 many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!

[gerkin greg]

 

[Penelope]

all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA

again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water.  its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.

yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept  our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins  and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.

u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little

BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!

look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
 many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!

[Stripes]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:

fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio

Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench

I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.

To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake  ???

Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. 

[Fluffy Tiger]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:

fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio

Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench

I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.

To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake  ???

Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. 

Agree on 1 ,2 and 3 Stripes, I dont get all the negative stuff comming out now, sure the losses were bad and hurt but come on. Where did you guys expect us to be? I can see the light and there is improvement in the important players and much more improvement still to come. Our bottom 6 let us down each week but they just wont be here next year or the year after.

[the claw]

all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA

again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water.  its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.

yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept  our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins  and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.

u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little

BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!

look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
 many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!

well i can agree we are crap that much you have right.but your wrong if you think we have not improved, not neccesarily with on field results, for decent results to occur you need the cattle. now your not bitching on here and trying tell everyone we have the cattle thus we should be doing better and winning more games are you now, that would be delusional. we have improved in several areas improvement does not neccesarily mean wins, scores, percentage, game style  etc etc. these things can go backwards but the list can still improve. which it has. the list equals cattle.

next yr i fully expect us to be just as crap and may even go worse if we clean out a lot of players as we should. to grow your list there is absolutely nothing that says you should improve on field each yr. it aint going to happen it wont happen to a large degree until the likes of martin batchelor astbury grimes vickery helbig etc etc have got to 100 games and this yrs and next yrs gets to 50 odd.it wont happen until these blokes get some size strength and experience. the thing is we are set to become even more inexperienced with many new faces being undersized and lacking strength.

if you want to gauge improvement on on field success alone you had want to pray and hope they they take a shedload of mature big bodies this coming trade and draft period.
personally i hope they stick to the youth policy in the main, and bite the bullet knowing we will continue to be crap or god forbid it will have ferals everywhere pulling their hair out maybe go back wards.

ive said it a few times far to many are focusing on wins and on field results and the short term.

[the claw]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

if gourdis and thursfield go id agree. if mcguane and thursfield go they may keep gourdis. i think either way thursfield is gone and one of gourdis mcguane is gone, i hope gourdis is the one they keep.i know hes not done much but i can see him putting it all together clicking if you like imo he has time and attributes over the other two.

[Penelope]

the other two what you see is what is you get. it aint gunna get much better. gourdis at least has scope to improve.

[MADTIGER2010]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:

fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio

Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench

I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.

To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake  ???

Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. 

If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too

[WA Tiger]

Good posting as usual claw.

Just to ad.
Much to the chagrin of some I think that they will keep McGuane as a depth player next season (unless we recruit a mature defender) and Thursfield & Gourdis will be the ones to move on.

Well said. I quite like Mcguane. I'd like to see a back 6 of:

fb: batchelor rance newman
hb: grimes post deledio

Think this can become a really good defence with good height, skill, composure and size. Add Astbury or Mcguane rotating off the bench

I agree with both of you here. I like that backline also. Will be interesting to see if Astbury and McGuane can force their way into the backline. When I look at this it shows me we really do have a great deal of potential depth with our talls. Our backline is certainly not as bad as many have believed or made out earlier in year.

To state the obvious, it is our ruck department that we have the greatest need so perhaps looking at players such as Ports Trengove could be a mistake  ???

Strangely enough, it appears the one area we felt was our strength appears to be lacking the most in quality and depth - our midfield and smalls. 

If we can add something like Z. Clarke, H. McIntosh and a midfielder(top 10 pick), our midfield should be a real strength on the back of Foley, Martin, Cotchin, and Conca completing only their 2nd preseason in recent years. We'll need to draft a small forward this year too

Wouldnt even think another midfielder or small forward until our Backline has depth, this will need to be a focus as well as the Ruck! Trengove would suit.

[Jackstar is back again]

all the potential positives we may have had this yr are gone, forget it , we have no positives facts are we have not progressed at all, yeah we turned over players yet its done sweet FA

again i ask, just how much did you expect them to progress at the start of the yr, having cleaned out another shedful of players on top of the shedful we delisted the yr before.
if we do another 10 this yr and bring in few seniors as replacements common sense says we may well fail to progress ladder wise next yr as well.
imo i think we found 5 players helbig houli batchelor grimes and conca thats not failure its not even treading water.  its improvement of the list.find 4 more next yr and the yr after and suddenly things are not looking so glum.

yes with experience size structure age etc things are grim atm. but we all knew it would take yrs to turn these things around. was a yr similar to last yr really so unexpected i think not.if we had kept  our expectations in check and used a bit of common sense rather than letting a few insignificant wins  and ladder position rule our brains you would see the bigger picture.

u just dont get it, u still need to progress each yr, even a little, improve each yr, even a little

BUT WE HAVENT AND THAT IS FACT!

look at our scores, percentage. the way we play, we will be lucky to win more games than last yr, and i doubt very much we will
 many tiger fans like urself are too scared to accept reality, and reality is, we are crap and have not progressed!

and I agree