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Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« on: July 26, 2011, 10:22:40 PM »
For the second week, Carey expressed disappointment at Richmond's progress this season, saying their one-goal first-half against Geelong was not good enough.
 
''Where are Richmond at at the moment?'' he asked. ''We thought they'd improved but they haven't improved one bit - they've probably gone backwards.''
 
He said the Tigers should take a leaf out of Gold Coast's book. ''You only have to looat the Gold Coast Suns and see the way they continued to take the fight up to Collingwood, and kept taking the game on,'' Carey said. ''For a young side they were fantastic; Richmond take a look at them.
 
''Right now, if you were asked who you'd like to coach more - out of Adelaide, Richmond, Port Adelaide and Gold Coast - you'd certainly be saying, Gold Coast. There's more upside there.''

http://www.backpagelead.com.au/afl/4671-andy-krakouers-was-better-

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2011, 10:27:11 PM »
carey is only carrying on because he didnt have the brains to work out at the end of last yr that cleaning out another 10 or so players would likely mean we would be worse when we do another ten again this yr lets all hope he has learnt a bit about list structure depth and reasonable expectation.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 12:27:54 AM »
carey is carrying on because he is a nuff nuff with NFI

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 01:02:15 AM »
bit like yourself

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2011, 07:25:04 AM »
Meow.  Carey doesn't let facts get in the way of sinking the slipper in.  I would rather take advice from Warrack Cappa and his carrot.
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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 08:11:40 AM »
Might be an article to bookmark for a year or two. He was spot on with the "mentally fragile" call the other week. We are as an entire club mentally fragile
“I find it nearly impossible to make those judgments, but he is certainly up there with the really important ones, he is certainly up there with the Francis Bourkes and the Royce Harts and the Kevin Bartlett and the Kevin Sheedys, there is no doubt about that,” Balme said.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 08:27:26 AM »
Memo Wayne Carey: Of course the Mould Coast Scums are going to be better than us. This is what inevitably happens when the AFL drops every draft resource available right in your lap, while leaving the Tigers to rot and die.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 08:56:18 AM »
this club will never die Roycey.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2011, 09:05:37 AM »
this club will never die Roycey.


No,I know that. It just seems like, as far as Demetriou and his cronies care, we may as well.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2011, 10:22:13 AM »
Memo Wayne Carey: Of course the Mould Coast Scums are going to be better than us. This is what inevitably happens when the AFL drops every draft resource available right in your lap, while leaving the Tigers to rot and die.

Agree the concessions given to the Suns & GWS are wrong but all clubs can take some of the blame for that because they signed off on them ...... believe it our not on certain things clubs can veto things if they've got the guts

I am all for whacking the AFL when it's deserved .......

But are you going to blame the AFL for the mistakes we've made at the draft table?

5 picks inside the top 20 in 2004 and the fact that only one player remains on our list isn't the fault of the AFL, that's ours.....

That the player we took in 2005 with pick 8 is gone? AFL fault or ours

Bottom line is if we had drafted better in the period 2004-2007 we'd be better off now. We didn't and now we have to to live with the consequences of that coupled with the concessions granted to the new clubs
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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 10:58:35 AM »
We're an easy target and no one would question his assertion because history proves he is right. As a superficial observer, basing your judgement on results and apparent effort alone, of course you would say we have gone backwards but it just shows you his lack of research and biased opinion.

The facts are that we have improved. The reason it feels, especially to 'outsiders', that we haven't is because we raised expectations with our better than expected performance early in the year. The positives from this period is that it was all achieved off the back of youth.

Our list has had yet another major overhaul over the last two seasons. Not only is our squad young, but our team is incredibly inexperienced. We are developing, both individually, structurally and as a team. Players such as Vickery, Martin, Conca, Batchelor, Helbig, Rance and Grimes have developed and improved. Other 'older' players including Nahas, King, Houli, Grigg, Foley, Cotchin and even McGuane have improved their outputs on previous years. All of this points to improvement.

Next year we have more youth to inject into the side and more talent to develop. Any results will be on the back of the current players we have in the side/list. The club is determined to improve and doing every thing we can to develop what we have. The challenge going forward is finding what we don't have.

This year's trading period is crucial to our future. How we fill our current and immediate future needs without harming our overall future with reduced draft opportunities.

All in all though, Carey should go back to rooting his mates wives and leave the analysis to people willing to do some basic research.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2011, 11:03:58 AM »
when we delist/trade and pick up the following players later this year we'll be much better off.

In: Z Clarke, H McIntosh
Out: Thursfield, Moore, Tuck, White, Graham, Hislop, Miller, Hicks, Taylor, Farmer


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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2011, 12:19:34 PM »
The facts are that we have improved. The reason it feels, especially to 'outsiders', that we haven't is because we raised expectations with our better than expected performance early in the year. The positives from this period is that it was all achieved off the back of youth.

Excellent point that Stripes



A very disppointing last sentence though Stripes - not relevant to the rest of a really quality reply IMHO   

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2011, 12:24:55 PM »
Agree the concessions given to the Suns & GWS are wrong

Disagree they are wrong. The concessions are fine.

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Re: Richmond have probably gone backwards: Wayne Carey (BPL)
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 12:45:58 PM »
Agree the concessions given to the Suns & GWS are wrong but all clubs can take some of the blame for that because they signed off on them ...... believe it our not on certain things clubs can veto things if they've got the guts

I am all for whacking the AFL when it's deserved .......

But are you going to blame the AFL for the mistakes we've made at the draft table?

5 picks inside the top 20 in 2004 and the fact that only one player remains on our list isn't the fault of the AFL, that's ours.....

That the player we took in 2005 with pick 8 is gone? AFL fault or ours

Bottom line is if we had drafted better in the period 2004-2007 we'd be better off now. We didn't and now we have to to live with the consequences of that coupled with the concessions granted to the new clubs

I really have my doubts about the 16 clubs ability to veto any AFL proposals. I think a lot of things are signed off on with a gun to the head (figuratively speaking of course).
No, it's not the AFL's fault re: the drafting errors we made in 2004-07. That can be squarely laid at the feet of Wallace/Miller and their obsession with recruiting outside midfielders. But how long should we have to suffer for the mistakes of a past administration? And the AFL have a lot to answer for IMO for changing the rule in 2007, so that the club who finished on the bottom (us) don't automatically get the no1 draft pick, if the previous spooners (Carlton) don't win more than 4 games. All that has done has encouraged tanking and cheating, and a culture where supporters are barracking for their own club to lose. The AFL seems to enjoy going out of their way to put up barriers to hinder Richmond from ever achieving success again. As unlike Carlton, Collingwood and their latest shiny Interstate toys, they clearly don't give a flying eff about us.