Steven Morris [merged]

[The Big Richo]

Depends how you view his role I think.

Is he there to be a defensive forward who shuts down an attacking defender?

Or is he there to be a forward with an emphasis on chasing/tackling etc?

If it is the former then I think he failed given Yarran was the obvious target and he had plenty of influence.

If it is the latter then I think all forwards should be doing that anyway but even so then he still needs to play a role as a forward to go with that so he failed there as well.

[the claw]

i reckon theres been enough furore stirred up over my comments on his game. my last comment on this is this.
if people dont think morris deserves criticism after that performance then i really cant invision any circumstance where people will criticise him. his game really was that poor. and that makes it pointless going on with any more debate on the subject.

i leave the last comments on the subject to those very content tiger supporters.

[Yeahright]

How did you rate his defensive game? No dribble no ifs no buts just rate his defensive game

[HKTiger]

claw when you can actually correctly observe a game and have accurate facts and when you can comprehend English come back and discuss.

I made no judgement on Morris game or effectiveness.  Purely an observation on a gameplan item.  Do I agree with it ?  Not sure, for now I'll hold an open mind.  I'll see how it plays out.  But if part of the yardstick in measuring Morris output is one to two goals in offensive  output then Morris clearly attained that goal.  Lloyd clearly kicks an advantage goal earned by Morris pressure and Yarran panicking.  That was pretty easy to observe.

ohh and on the accurate facts point you might like to re-visit the Edwards thread and offer the apology that you were demanding of others.

[WA Tiger]

How did you rate his defensive game? No dribble no ifs no buts just rate his defensive game

Clumsy.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Melbourne got Jeff Gartlett with pick 61. 
20 possessions, 3 marks, 5 inside 50's, 12 score involvements, 6 tackles, 2 goals 4

If we got Gartlett maybe we find the small forward we've hoped for.

Atleast we got Hamspud with pick 28.   

[Zlatan]

to quote Ronald Reagan.....there you go again..saying jake king was a bum just re enforces  the belief I have that you probably watch football with blinkers on

i wasnt bagging king as such

such saying i dont think its impossible morris can get to a similar level

[Tigeritis™©®]

3 disposals, 5 clangers, 5 free kick against, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 2 score involvements, 0 goals 0


.......It's not working

[WA Tiger]

3 disposals, 5 clangers, 5 free kick against, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 2 score involvements, 0 goals 0


.......It's not working

Agree, it hasn't to date, don't think it will be hey who knows. It didn't work in the NAB either.

[Tigeritis™©®]

Whilst we debate the merits of having a back pocket battler up forward we watch Hawthorn destroy Geelong with not 1 or 2 but 3 small forwards dominating the forward 50.

I can hear it already, "But remember how Jake King was a battling defender & succeeded up forward?"

I liked the push-up as much as anyone but if that's how high we're aiming then Morris up forward is already a winner. 

The bar is way too low. If Morris isn't good enough down back don't just find him a spot up forward to give him a run... It's spots for mates just ask Newman. 


I still remember somebody said, "If you can't win your own ball you won't be playing in a Richmond jumper!" 

.....still ringing in my ears.

[the claw]

3 disposals, 5 clangers, 5 free kick against, 1 mark, 1 inside 50, 2 score involvements, 0 goals 0


.......It's not working

Melbourne got Jeff Gartlett with pick 61. 
20 possessions, 3 marks, 5 inside 50's, 12 score involvements, 6 tackles, 2 goals 4

If we got Gartlett maybe we find the small forward we've hoped for.

Atleast we got Hamspud with pick 28.   

Whilst we debate the merits of having a back pocket battler up forward we watch Hawthorn destroy Geelong with not 1 or 2 but 3 small forwards dominating the forward 50.

I can hear it already, "But remember how Jake King was a battling defender & succeeded up forward?"

I liked the push-up as much as anyone but if that's how high we're aiming then Morris up forward is already a winner. 

The bar is way too low. If Morris isn't good enough down back don't just find him a spot up forward to give him a run... It's spots for mates just ask Newman. 


I still remember somebody said, "If you can't win your own ball you won't be playing in a Richmond jumper!" 

.....still ringing in my ears.

all been said and done and your  wasting your time.

 according the the defenders of all things mediocre.  morris was great and there is absolutely nothing wrong with his game.
.we also  dont need to aim at  quality  smls because we have had jake king and that should have been good enough for anyone,   and now we have morris and thats good enough as well. im sure if you ask em they will tell ya they prefer morris to rioli or bruest or puopolo.
compared to us hawthorns set up is nothing to learn from and  garlett is a bum who cant hold a candle to our steve morris..
good luck in your dealings with them id advise you stop now and dont waste your time you cant talk to people who are so defensive  and so deluded.

[crackertiger]

The Morris experiment will end abruptly if the Doggies smash us!

Give Lambert a run as a dangerous small forward and send Morris to the backline.

[HKTiger]

maybe rather than listening or reading your own opinions you could listen to some facts and stats.

I get you don't like it.  That's a stuffing given, given that you sprout it ad nauseum every stuffing day.

Yes it would be great to have a Garlett or Betts or Rioli.  Last time I checked you deleted and added players to your list in October, November and early December.  I look at the calendar at its April.  We have the list we have.

In the link I provided above Mark "Wilbur" Williams discusses stats about retention, attacks, handball receives, attacks against etc.  Data that the club plans by.  Interestingly we got a better attack from defence than planned and Carlton were worse.  They were below their normal metrics.  Given that's what was discussed I'm guessing that's how the club will evaluate this.

Now this is not supporting or decrying the club or the coaching panel.  It's not apologizing for the club.  It's merely observing.  I would have thought that's a pretty simple concept to gain from the above.  Simple comprehension of the English language.

With punctuation and all....

[Tigeritis™©®]

maybe rather than listening or reading your own opinions you could listen to some facts and stats.

I get you don't like it.  That's a stuffing given, given that you sprout it ad nauseum every stuffing day.

Yes it would be great to have a Garlett or Betts or Rioli.  Last time I checked you deleted and added players to your list in October, November and early December.  I look at the calendar at its April.  We have the list we have.

In the link I provided above Mark "Wilbur" Williams discusses stats about retention, attacks, handball receives, attacks against etc.  Data that the club plans by.  Interestingly we got a better attack from defence than planned and Carlton were worse.  They were below their normal metrics.  Given that's what was discussed I'm guessing that's how the club will evaluate this.

Now this is not supporting or decrying the club or the coaching panel.  It's not apologizing for the club.  It's merely observing.  I would have thought that's a pretty simple concept to gain from the above.  Simple comprehension of the English language.

With punctuation and all....

An extremely erudite post HKT

.....But it still reads like an excuse for a bloke that had 3 possessions, 5 frees against & donuts on the score board.

And only 2 tackles inside 50. A terrible game by any standards if your fair-dinkum.

[HKTiger]

Nah it's not meant as an excuse.  It's observational, not judgemental.  I can see the value of an intense tackler in the forward 50.  Do I think Steve Morris is the right player.  I have doubts.

Would I prefer to have a Garlett type.  Without the off-field issues, certainly.  But we don't.

Do I agree with this aspect of the gameplan.  Yes and no.  But I'll see how things pan out.  Interesting the debate on this topic on PRE where people at the ground state Morris was more effective than noted in stats/on TV.  Williams indicates something similar in the podcast and quotes stats to support that.

He has to score and help construct and at the moment isn't doing that well enough.  Though I will credit him with 1 goal even though Sam Lloyd actually kicked it.

But when one negative observer of Steve, in a separate thread, claims that the leading contested possession winner and leading clearance player on the day, despite stating that those 2 KPI's are the most important, had an inconsequential game then I question said poster's observational capability.