Steven Morris [merged]

[the claw]

In his weekly Dissection, Hardwick mentions he caused 6 or 7 turnovers that created 2 or 3 goals and as we all know, it doesn't matter if you kick them or create them, if your effort causes a goal then that's all the team and coaches are going to care about.  And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible.  I've never spoken up as being a Morris apologist and in my original post days ago I said I would expect more from a pressuring small forward but I don't agree with Claw et al and the blanket assessment of him as a failure in that role last Thursday.  As I said in that post and Willy has re-iterated - you had to be at the game to see the work he was doing and effect he was having, regardless of how that panned out in the mainstream stats count, and to already make the call that the move has been a failure is wrong imho.  It might well end up that way but I can't agree with it based on last week's game.

and my argument to that has been offensive  sml fwds across the afl have done exactly that as well. force turnovers and create goals. its a big part of why i think we shouild be aiming for better.

imo nathan gordon given the same role as morris would force turnovers and create goals. its expected of these types of fwds.its talked up as if its out of the box or exceptional when its nothing but an expected  requirement of any sml fwd regardless of the label offensive or defensive. anyway enough said i think the biggest difference is the expectations we have of our players.

me i want us to go out and get a rioli or puopolo betts walters who ever they are theres many. they all impact the scoreboard heavily they create for their teammates but they are defensively very good. i suppose im demanding a well rounded sml fwd instead of the half a role we currently get with morris.and thats it he does half a role. all im asking is we aim higher than we currently are.

me id rather play a kid with some potential who may have a chance of doing the whole role than persevere with one who only does half.

[Yeahright]

And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. 

Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games. I was there, I saw the pressure and I'm somewhat on Claw's side as I've said before. His pressure was okay, could of been better if he kept his feet and didn't give away so many free kicks but most importantly was his overall game was poor. Too many conceded free kicks and not enough offensive involvement. He may of created 2-3 goals but don't forget we were playing a nothing club in Carlton. Against a good side those 5 free kicks would of contributed to more goals for them and his pressure wouldn't of amounted to as many turnover goals. We can't blame Morris though, he tries his guts out but at this stage he just doesn't have it offensively. It's really down to Hardwick (I've been a fan of Hardwicks except for his favourtism towards Newman and now this move). Good coaches get in good smalls who provide offense and defense. I don't think any other coach in the league would accept a 3 disposal game from their small forward and claim as it as a good game. Sure Hardwick should give him some time to develop into the role and that's okay, but if there is no improvement and Hardwick isn't on his ass then there is something going wrong

/clawrantbutwithgrammar

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I'm watching it now on fox.

Such a poor quality game.
Some of our fumbles and turnovers are comical and wouldn't be such a recurring theme
If Clarkson were coach.
Ellis missing a sitter, Grigg wasting opportunities time and time again.,
48-67 and Carlton haven't kicked a goal for 53 minutes. Lmao.
Statistically we dominated but are so bad that we couldn't bury them in 53 minutes.
Morris is a stuffn liability..Backmen just beckoning him to throw his corpse at the ball
so they'll get a free - and they do.
Houli is another incomplete solution.
Newman is just a joke.
As talented as lids is, he's just stuffn stupid.

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And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp

[Go Richo 12]

And Cotchin is the worst kick in the stuffn comp

[Smokey]

And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. 

Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.

Completely wrong, has nothing to do with Claw getting to games or not.  It was my first game in 2 years and I've never subscribed to that theory either but if you read my original post I stated that in relation to Morris's game I felt you needed to be there to appreciate the effect he had.

I was there, I saw the pressure and I'm somewhat on Claw's side as I've said before. His pressure was okay, could of been better if he kept his feet and didn't give away so many free kicks but most importantly was his overall game was poor. Too many conceded free kicks and not enough offensive involvement. He may of created 2-3 goals but don't forget we were playing a nothing club in Carlton. Against a good side those 5 free kicks would of contributed to more goals for them and his pressure wouldn't of amounted to as many turnover goals.

Just on the free kicks - 2 of the 5 were poor decisions by the maggots and one especially right in front of me should have been paid to Morris, not against him, which would have given him a shot from the goal square.  And the opposition is irrelevant, especially given that everyone on here was poo frightened before the game of what Yarran was going to do to us and Morris had a distinct and decisive impact on Yarran having no impact on the game whatsoever.

We can't blame Morris though, he tries his guts out but at this stage he just doesn't have it offensively. It's really down to Hardwick (I've been a fan of Hardwicks except for his favourtism towards Newman and now this move). Good coaches get in good smalls who provide offense and defense. I don't think any other coach in the league would accept a 3 disposal game from their small forward and claim as it as a good game. Sure Hardwick should give him some time to develop into the role and that's okay, but if there is no improvement and Hardwick isn't on his ass then there is something going wrong

And that is my final point - again.  I never said Morris is the answer or will make it but I don't subscribe to wiping the trial after 1 serious game either, especially when I saw some positive impacts in it.

[Tigers of Old]

Don't mind the coach trying something different and Morris did have some effect but can't help but think this experiment will have another short lifespan.
To his credit on Dimma's Dissection on the website he says he understands Morris also needs to kick goals as well as pressurise opponents.
Therein lies his problem..just hope it doesn't take 6 weeks to make the change.

[🏅Dooks]

And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. 

Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.

Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.

There's really no difference.

[Lozza]

Would hate to see a similarly close game to last season against the Dogs where this time in the last minute we get inside 50 only for Morris to give away a needless free kick. That's my main worry with him having a Kamikaze type role is when finess is required it won't be natural for him to change his method.

[HKTiger]

Wasn't that free kick young Brandon ?

[Smokey]

Wasn't quite in the goal square as I remembered but here is the link:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay?round=CD_R201501401&matchId=CD_M20150140101&eventType=free&seek=5223&videoQuality=high

Should have been a free for a high tackle but got pinged for holding the ball.

[Hard Roar Tiger]

Reckon you've nailed it Smokey 

[the claw]

And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. 

Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.

Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.

There's really no difference.

lol thats why i tend to stick to wa lads come draft time.
i have regularly got to 5 6  of our games a yr. reckon thats enough along with the tele.

one thing i have always been prepared to put up my thoughts on who we should draft. i have often said id back in my picks against fj record any day of the week. the concern here is i have done better than him on limited viewings and time where its done out of fun, where he has the backing of the club and many resources and aids to do his job and still he cant get it right or do better than an amateur who does it for fun.

you know what it would be nice to get some posters on here with the power of their own convictions. instead we cop posters like you cracking the sads because you dont agree and taking pot shots. the morris thread is over for now let it go son.
one minute all praise the next minute all doom and gloom and then suddenly back to praise again.feeling a need to take a shot just all over the shop.

the one thing i can categorically say is i have stuck to my beliefs and principals and father time has MOSTLY proven me correct.

i dont need to defend my views or who i think we should have drafted so i wont.

what i will do is this  just for you, so the next time you crack the sads  you can sprout of to the world that claw wanted durdin instead of  ellis, i wanted blakely instead of menadue. that i wanted kietel instead  of butler that i prefered anyne to nathan drummond. you can say i was pleased we took mckenzie and rookied lambert.

or how about i was all for targeting garlett, insisted we pay frawley what he wants,  that mitch hallahan was a want after the greenwood and trengove deals fell thru. or i insisted we get rid of the hack vickery if we could for whatever price. that we cut newman that we rookie another ruckman mate i can go on and on. yep next time you crack the sads and want to have a go bring all that up its bound to make you feel good. or will it.

you seem to be worried about what i may get wrong when you really should be worried about the clubs record in this. after all im just another poster on a forum with an opinion who really should nothave to put vup with cheap and childish shots from posters who have cracked the sads.

[Yeahright]

Wasn't quite in the goal square as I remembered but here is the link:

http://www.afl.com.au/video/smart-replay?round=CD_R201501401&matchId=CD_M20150140101&eventType=free&seek=5223&videoQuality=high

Should have been a free for a high tackle but got pinged for holding the ball.

Yep I remember that one and can't argue that at all. Wasn't as if he dived on it either.

[🏅Dooks]

And if you were at the game then you could see how that was possible. 

Bit sick of seeing that posted as it seems that's everyones defense because they know Claw can't make it to many games.

Lets just thank the good lord Claw isn't head of recruitment. Making judgment calls on player performance based on video footage has had a history of catastrophic failure at our club.

There's really no difference.

lol thats why i tend to stick to wa lads come draft time.
i have regularly got to 5 6  of our games a yr. reckon thats enough along with the tele.

one thing i have always been prepared to put up my thoughts on who we should draft. i have often said id back in my picks against fj record any day of the week. the concern here is i have done better than him on limited viewings and time where its done out of fun, where he has the backing of the club and many resources and aids to do his job and still he cant get it right or do better than an amateur who does it for fun.

you know what it would be nice to get some posters on here with the power of their own convictions. instead we cop posters like you cracking the sads because you dont agree and taking pot shots. the morris thread is over for now let it go son.
one minute all praise the next minute all doom and gloom and then suddenly back to praise again.feeling a need to take a shot just all over the shop.

the one thing i can categorically say is i have stuck to my beliefs and principals and father time has MOSTLY proven me correct.

i dont need to defend my views or who i think we should have drafted so i wont.

what i will do is this  just for you, so the next time you crack the sads  you can sprout of to the world that claw wanted durdin instead of  ellis, i wanted blakely instead of menadue. that i wanted kietel instead  of butler that i prefered anyne to nathan drummond. you can say i was pleased we took mckenzie and rookied lambert.

or how about i was all for targeting garlett, insisted we pay frawley what he wants,  that mitch hallahan was a want after the greenwood and trengove deals fell thru. or i insisted we get rid of the hack vickery if we could for whatever price. that we cut newman that we rookie another ruckman mate i can go on and on. yep next time you crack the sads and want to have a go bring all that up its bound to make you feel good. or will it.

you seem to be worried about what i may get wrong when you really should be worried about the clubs record in this. after all im just another poster on a forum with an opinion who really should nothave to put vup with cheap and childish shots from posters who have cracked the sads.

You seem to have mistaken me for someone who cares alot about your preferred drafting strategies. I couldn't remember who you wanted to draft over others in the past, so it was a refreshing summary..... yet meh. 

Point is, my comment was in the context of watching Morris play, and for the club (not yourself) to make calls on recruiting players via video being just as likely to fall down on its merits (as it has).