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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2011, 07:56:26 PM »
That's what drinking bore water every day does to you. :help

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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2011, 08:17:14 PM »
That's what drinking bore water every day does to you. :help
LOL aint that the truth, I reckon I would want to neck someone drinking that septic run off too lol
Come to think of it, they could of blamed his symptoms of dizzyness and vomiting on that.
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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #47 on: August 30, 2011, 08:27:27 PM »
spose I have to say sorry to all the crow eaters who barrack for Richmond now, your excluded from my slurs of course.
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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #48 on: August 30, 2011, 09:41:42 PM »
Will next year be the third year in a row Kingy has been rubbed out for round 1? That must be some kind of record lol.

It should be interesting next year when we play Adelaide again. Not love lost after the Crows dobbed Kingy in.
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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #49 on: August 30, 2011, 09:56:00 PM »
What a weak prick.. these Adelaide guys put us in it, they are gonna get it back in spades from everyone now, no mercy.
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Tiger fury at Crow dibber-dobbers after King suspension (Herald-Sun & Age)
« Reply #50 on: August 31, 2011, 02:38:49 AM »
Tiger fury at Crow dibber-dobbers after Jake King found guilty of rough conduct

    Bruce Matthews
    From: Herald Sun
    August 31, 2011



RICHMOND'S Jake King is condemned to make a late start to another season following a failed challenge at the AFL Tribunal.

King must sit out Sunday's last game against North Melbourne and the first home-and-away round of the 2012 season.

The tough little Tiger couldn't convince the tribunal jury to overturn a two-match suspension for rough conduct in his sling tackle on Adelaide's Andy Otten late in the third quarter last Sunday.

The verdict will fuel bad blood between the clubs as King was only cited by the AFL match review panel after a Crows' inquiry to the league on Monday to ask why the incident hadn't been part of the normal post-round video scrutiny.

King, who didn't give evidence at the hearing, left without comment, accompanied by Tigers football manager Ross Monaghan.

The jury of ex-players, Richard Loveridge, Wayne Henwood and Wayne Schimmelbusch, deliberated for 22 minutes - nearly as long as the actual hearing - before finding King guilty of negligent conduct, low impact and high contact.

King, who missed the opening round through suspension this season, has now been outed for seven matches in the past three years.

With inconclusive video, the jury relied on two Adelaide football club medical reports, the second which said it couldn't be determined whether Otten's concussion was caused by King's tackle.

The first Crows' medical report on Monday said Otten left the field with four minutes left in the game and he couldn't remember anything from the second half.

Another report from a different medical officer, emailed to the AFL, said Otten told a trainer he was OK immediately after the incident in the third quarter.

It said Otten suffered dizziness, confusion and blurred vision after the game, but it couldn't be determined whether that came from the tackle.

Defence advocate Michael Tovey QC showed the jury a videotape of Otten giving off and receiving a handpass only 30 seconds after the incident.

AFL legal counsel Jeff Gleeson SC conceded that King executed a "reasonably fluid" one-movement tackle on Otten.

But he said the tackle was "inherently dangerous with the pivoting and pinning Otten and the swing to the ground".

Toovey told the jury that King's action was "executed the way players are taught to tackle".

He said it was impossible to determine at what degree of force Otten's head hit the ground. And that there was no evidence that the concussion happened in the incident.

Tribunal chairman David Jones, in his summing up to the jury, said: "You have to be satisfied the concussion resulted from this incident."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/jake-king-found-guilty-on-sling-tackle/story-e6frf9jf-1226125825804

Tigers cry foul over King suspension
Martin Blake
August 31, 2011


RICHMOND was furious yesterday after a discussion between an Adelaide official and an AFL staffer led to small forward Jake King being suspended.

King was suspended for two matches by the AFL tribunal last night after he was charged by the match review panel with rough conduct in relation to a sling tackle on Adelaide's Andy Otten on Sunday. The feisty Tiger refused to comment as he left the hearing.

The charge was laid on Monday night, long after the match review panel had released its findings from the weekend's games. Later, it emerged that the charge was only laid after an Adelaide official discussed the incident with the AFL.

But the Crows denied any wrongdoing. ''I want to make it clear the Adelaide Football Club did not ask the AFL to investigate the incident, or supply any video of the alleged incident,'' said Crows football operations manager Phil Harper.

''The incident was mentioned in a discussion with an AFL official late [on Monday] … but it was certainly not our intention for any investigation to occur. In fact, we thought it was too late for that.''

Richmond was in no doubt what happened. ''The charge was not laid as part of the original match review panel findings, and was brought to the AFL's attention by the Adelaide Crows [on Monday night],'' the Tigers said on their website yesterday.

The tribunal deliberated for more than 20 minutes last night before finding King guilty, despite being shown only inconclusive footage of the incident.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-cry-foul-over-king-suspension-20110830-1jk5v.html#ixzz1WWyJarDq

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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #51 on: August 31, 2011, 07:48:42 AM »
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Tribunal chairman David Jones, in his summing up to the jury, said: "You have to be satisfied the concussion resulted from this incident."

how could anyone, but someone with a pre conceived notion of the result be satisfied with that, in particular after the defence put forward.

David Jones, you are in charge of a kangaroo court and should be ashamed to be associated with, let alone in charge of, such a buggering debacle.

It's ironic that the league has measures in place to attempt to make the competition fair ( obviously ignoring the draw though) yet when it comes to the tribunal they are more than happy to deny natural justice.

 
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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #52 on: August 31, 2011, 09:04:37 AM »
This must be Adelaide's way of getting back at us for the Tambling trade.
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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #53 on: August 31, 2011, 09:07:27 AM »
lol i was thinking the same thing but, Tambling was playing for everyone to see they had every opportunity to make up their own minds.
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Why the code of silence is dead (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #54 on: August 31, 2011, 12:37:29 PM »
Why the code of silence is dead

    Jon Ralph
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    August 31, 2011


RICHMOND was in a happy place on Monday night. The match review panel had come through and not only had Jake King got off, but so had a pair of key midfielders.

Dustin Martin's sling tackle on Adelaide's Bernie Vince was studied but given the all-clear by the panel, and Bachar Houli's bump on Graham Johncock wasn't even scrutinised.

Then Adelaide got involved.

The Crows version is that during a phone conversation between Phil Harper and AFL official Scott Taylor, the Adelaide football manager mentioned the King hit in passing.

Later that night the AFL called back and told them the MRP was re-opening its findings.

According to Adelaide, they were shocked by the league's response and tried to plead with the league not to review the case.

Officials from the Crows yesterday used words to explain their regret like "shattered'', and "mortified''.

By 9pm the Tigers had not only been notified about the case, they were told King would get two weeks.

The inference was clear - an Adelaide football department dirty about the lack of scrutiny on Richmond players had put it in.

As the Tigers would argue, why would Adelaide be talking to the match review panel or AFL officials if not to bring the case to light?

They could understand a cheap shot behind play being highlighted, but not a regulation tackle caught by half a dozen cameras.

Dobbing. Lagging. Whatever you want to call it, the old-fashioned player code is now dead.

Partly it has come about because of the professional age, and precedents where players including Campbell Brown have been fined for lying about tribunal cases.

But the introduction of medical reports which basically decide cases has also flared tension between clubs.

Melbourne was filthy that Adelaide reported concussion for Patrick Dangerfield from a Jack Trengove sling tackle only days before the Crows star kicked six goals against the Gold Coast.

Dangerfield was legitimately concussed but it shows how easily clubs can be at each other's throats.

As the AFL points, there is no double jeopardy in the King case because he hasn't been tried.

But the match review panel had been given the chance to look at the incident, which somehow fell between the cracks.

Exactly why is a fair question to ask.

But in a culture when tiny advantages have never been more important, there are no beg pardons any more between rival teams.
 

WHAT THEY SAID

Tigers president Gary March said Adelaide's conduct was far from ideal.

"If they did that, it's disappointing. It's not something I imagine we would ever do. If it came from Adelaide raising it, that's disappointing. I don't really think it's in the spirit of the 17 clubs,'' he told the aifHerald Sun.aif

"It's pretty disappointing from a person in football. I know it's not something I would condone.''

AFL spokesman Patrick Keane yesterday said there was no set time on AFL investigations on or off the field.

"Generally we are made aware of all the vision and there can be a couple of late cases on Tuesday or Wednesday but there are also investigations which can run two or three days,'' he said.

"If we are aware of it before the next match is played, we will act on it.''

Adelaide football operations manager Phil Harper yesterday said he had not deliberately alerted the AFL.

"I want to make it clear the Adelaide Football Club did not ask the AFL to investigate the incident or supply any video of the alleged incident,'' he said.

"The incident was mentioned in a discussion with an AFL official late yesterday after the release of the match review panel findings but it was certainly not our intention for any investigation to occur. In fact, we thought it was too late for that.''

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/why-the-code-of-silence-is-dead/story-fn6cisdj-1226126079529

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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #55 on: September 03, 2011, 07:05:49 PM »
Paul Chapman's sling tackle last night. I'm not saying he should be suspended but is there any difference to Kingy's tackle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvSVJRZRB0Q

Before the Game also apparently showed a fan at the footy hold up a sign saying "suspend Jake King" or something like that (?).

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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #56 on: September 03, 2011, 09:25:52 PM »
Paul Chapman's sling tackle last night. I'm not saying he should be suspended but is there any difference to Kingy's tackle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvSVJRZRB0Q

Before the Game also apparently showed a fan at the footy hold up a sign saying "suspend Jake King" or something like that (?).

Clutching at a straw there, Cyclops?  Wellingham (?) bounced straight up, I think.

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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #57 on: September 04, 2011, 02:13:31 AM »
Paul Chapman's sling tackle last night. I'm not saying he should be suspended but is there any difference to Kingy's tackle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvSVJRZRB0Q

Before the Game also apparently showed a fan at the footy hold up a sign saying "suspend Jake King" or something like that (?).

Clutching at a straw there, Cyclops?  Wellingham (?) bounced straight up, I think.
Possibly I am clutching at a straw Muscles but Otten also bounced up as he was involved in the play shortly after King's tackle; the concussion wasn't noticed until later on. My point is both instances involved a firm sling tackle. Is the only difference that Wellingham's head luckily didn't appear to hit the turf hard? How does a tackler in a split instance control that?

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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #58 on: September 04, 2011, 08:43:14 AM »
Paul Chapman's sling tackle last night. I'm not saying he should be suspended but is there any difference to Kingy's tackle?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvSVJRZRB0Q

Before the Game also apparently showed a fan at the footy hold up a sign saying "suspend Jake King" or something like that (?).

Clutching at a straw there, Cyclops?  Wellingham (?) bounced straight up, I think.
Possibly I am clutching at a straw Muscles but Otten also bounced up as he was involved in the play shortly after King's tackle; the concussion wasn't noticed until later on. My point is both instances involved a firm sling tackle. Is the only difference that Wellingham's head luckily didn't appear to hit the turf hard? How does a tackler in a split instance control that?

It's Russian Roulette for the tackler.  The sling tackle isn't illegal, it's just if the outcome causes damage to the tackled player. Same as the bump in that respect.  Bit like saying you can drive through red traffic lights and t-bone other cars, just so long as you don't put anyone in hospital.

The AFL doesn't have the cojones to ban the bump or the sling tackle, they just want to make them so dangerous for the bumper or the tackler that they naturally just fade away.

Fair enough that concussion damage is bad news in the longer term, but they also don't have the cojones to require a multiple-week rest if a player is diagnosed with concussion.
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Re: Jake King found guilty - 2 week suspension stands [Updated]
« Reply #59 on: September 04, 2011, 08:54:19 AM »
It is absolutely ridiculous and they have turned this game into a total farce.  In the past, this would of been seen for what it was, part and parcel of the game, I can understand the concern whereby the players arms are pinned and he cannot protect his head, but they are turning this game into ponce ball and frankly, people don't want to watch it.  Great tackles are not rewarded and instead players are suspended?  They will be wearing stack hats next year and shoulder armor like stuffing grid iron players.
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