Angus Graham Appreciation Thread

[tigs2011]

With all these teams interested in grabbing a ruckman, do you think anyone would make an offer for Graham?

  

Yes. In fairness to him he's better than Renouf and is killing it at VFL. Should get a 3rd rounder or something. He'd be better than Stephenson at Geelong. He's awful.

IMO Clubs that could use him would be: Collingwood, Geelong, GWS (Brogan likely retiring), Hawthorn, Melbourne (if Jamar bails), Port, St.Kilda.

[gerkin greg]

And if Maric gets injured?

FFS

[cub]

If he is good enough for clubs struggling for a ruck he is good enough as a backup for Maric.
Said it many a time, mental is a big thing in elite sport! Would love to see how he actually goes teamed with Maric with not so much resting on his shoulders. Really interested actually, rotating with Maric and both alternating forward may just be the tonic we need up there.
Maric has such a heart that when he is "resting" forward he gets license to roam as needed. Seems to be everywhere does the Mullet, makes me tired just watching .....

[wayne]

And if Maric gets injured?

FFS

Miller or Tuck 

[Yeahright]

"No, I prefer Maric because I have NFI"

lol what nuffer made that poll

[Judge Roughneck]

1st ruck  imaric

2nd / 3rd - browne / derickx

4th ruck - draft a 17/18 yoa ruckman. Or two with lack picks / rookies.

This would be best for the list long term. Rather than having imaric graham in similar age bracket. Use pick from guson mid.

[the claw]

if we were to learn from another club i would like us to take a leaf out of wce book and even with them i think they have it wrong.

why wce weell not so long ago 05  they had all of cox gardiner and seaby zach beeck and michael embly on their list.  they had three ruckmen who could play two of them were very good.
injuries have cruelled gardiner and they cut him in at the end of 08. despite having one of the premier ruckmen in the league in cox they went and drafted naitanui that same yr. 4 yrs on naitanui is ready to take over the #1 mantle. cox is also getting on and his time will soon be up so what did they do in preparation for this they went and drafted scott lycett in 2010. when cox is ready to retire lycett will be primed to take over if not the #1 role naitanuis role of the past couple of seasons.  its called a smooth succession and we need to look at going about things this way.
you can bet that this yr they will use rookie picks on a ruckman at least and if none make it when cox does retire they use another decent pick on a good ruckman.

if we are to go the youth path with ruckmen well ivaaan is 26 we need a young ruckman who we are sure is capable of taking over from ivan in our system now.
also because we have no other competetive ruckman on the list we could do with another mature ruckman just to help out.

if it was at all possible and its not because we have other list needs i would want us to take the most promising ruckman we can with  a decent pick. i would like us if possible to find a journeyman ruckman if possible and i would definately like us to rookie one or two.
it goes without saying if we could do this i would not hesitate to cut all of derickx who by the way was worth trying and i would hope we would try similar again, browne who just looks too cumbersome and graham who is as much a waste of space as miller is.

[gerkin greg]

Would still like to have a crack at Zac Clarke

[tigs2011]

And if Maric gets injured?

FFS

Jaffa

[Penelope]

If we were to recruit another mature ruckman from another club it would have to be someone who can play as a forward (or backman, i suppose) as well. You are going to have trouble recruiting a pure ruckman just to play at coburg as a back up

[1965]

If we were to recruit another mature ruckman from another club it would have to be someone who can play as a forward (or backman, i suppose) as well. You are going to have trouble recruiting a pure ruckman just to play at coburg as a back up

This is why Warnock might be moving, and it is why we got Maric in the first place.

We need to focus on a young ruckman that will be able to step up at an early age (good luck)

 

[the claw]

If we were to recruit another mature ruckman from another club it would have to be someone who can play as a forward (or backman, i suppose) as well. You are going to have trouble recruiting a pure ruckman just to play at coburg as a back up

This is why Warnock might be moving, and it is why we got Maric in the first place.

We need to focus on a young ruckman that will be able to step up at an early age (good luck)

 

we have ty vickery i suppose hes been a little forgotten. thing is i have grave doubts about this bloke always have even last yr. if he could fullfill his potential and find a bit of ticker we may have the answer already there.

again i like the way wce go about it. they have to very good clearance players as well as ruckmen in cox and naitanui. they do not constantly play them forward both spend significant time on the bench resting and one or the other will then be rotated thru the forward line to stretch sides.

imo carlton have it wrong atm with hampson and kruezer.  warnock should be playing first ruck and kruezer performing the forward/ruck role we are  hoping vickery can perform. thing is all 4 cox naitanui, kruezer warnock are superb ruckmen they lose nothing  when they swap or have a rest.

for us an ideal situation would be
f/ vickery ruck/for - griffiths - quality small forward.
hf/ rotating mid say martin/conca - riewoldt - quick quality medium forward.

r/ maric - cotchin - foley

quality young ruckman developing at coburg someone like scott lycett. plus a rookie ruckman maybe two. a lot depends on vickery actually becoming a decent player.

[dwaino]

But you said in your last scribble that WCE have it wrong?

[the claw]

But you said in your last scribble that WCE have it wrong?

well i did say i think we should take a leaf out of their book even though i think they have it wrong. implying they have a part of it wrong. imo they should have a rookie on their list as well. for me 3 is not enough. so i suppose i should have been a bit clearer rather than presume people are capable of not taking everything said literally.

tell me what part of the wce  scenario do you think we should not try to  replicate. big ivan is what 26 27 yrs old  ask yourself how will he be travelling in 4 or 5 yrs time. if we want a replacement for him we should have that replacement in our system right now.  i would hope we would agree most ruckmen take at least 4 yrs to step up into a #1 ruck role.
they had cox at age 26 the best ruckman in the comp and went and used pick 2 on natinui ensuring a very good succession plan.  its not so much the picks but how they went about it. knowing they didnt have cover for injuries they then went and got lycett as well and he too will succeed natainui. smooth transition without going backwards that what we want isnt it.  sheesh we do need someone right now to step up and give maric a hand and right now we need to put ivans replacement into our system.

if you disagree with me why cant you just say i disagree and give a decent reason why rather than the sarcasm. if you disagree you must have a reason why.

as it happens i like what the coasters have done with their rucks but they  could take a project ruckman as well. in this i think they have it wrong. hope that clears it up for you and you can now focus on what has been actually said.

[dwaino]

I never mentioned anything about agreeing or not. I was only referring to another Claw diatribe where you first stated they have it wrong, but never actually mentioned what you think it is they have done wrong. Only then to follow it up by saying how good they've done it. Sheesh.

But if it gives you a rise, I was actually hoping we rookied someone like Bolger just to have sitting on the list for a few years. The rookie list is a great place to develop these kinds of positions since they usually take a few years to yield any dividends and at no expense of hoarding a spot on the senior list.