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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #315 on: March 29, 2012, 10:36:34 PM »
Well that sucked but Im going to honest I under estimated Carlton. They don't look like a premiership side but they are better than us still. Vickery couldn't buy a mark it seemed kept slipping backwards and letting it go through his hands.
Our defenders really need to step up another level from tonights game if we won't to play finals.

On a positive our tackling looking alot better than last years all over the ground.

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #316 on: March 29, 2012, 10:37:01 PM »
Riewoldt's body language was a disgrace tonight.

So is his haircut.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #317 on: March 29, 2012, 10:39:01 PM »
Playing Tuck and Jackson in the starting 21 was always going to backfire. :banghead Conca will never be a 'sub' again. BTW why wouldn't Matt White be played on Yarran tonight considering the job he did on him last year?

Yarrans and Whites graphs are going in opposite directions. White is limited, Yarran would have taken him apart.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #318 on: March 29, 2012, 10:42:24 PM »
Gary March "no excuses" what is your excuse?
I like Dimma but why give him a contract extenion bEFORE the season?
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #319 on: March 29, 2012, 10:46:54 PM »
Agree with the negatives everyone has written. How long will the Darrou or Wright project take? Our back talls get monstered by average forwards. Need a goliath down there for Rance and Grimes to take the second and third talls. Post is crap.


But I saw signs of improvement. We started well and clearances were solid right through. Big Maric was a welcome addition, shame he didn't get that goal in the third. Judd was reasonably quiet for three quarters so I assume the tag worked. But Cotchin was quiet after the first. Did they switch the tag from Dusty to Chimp? Dusty certainly shone. Glad to see Foley is going to be up there with Cotch and Dusty.

Haven't read back through for comments on Morris yet, but I'm in love. So many times sitting at the ground watching him I saw him chase hard, smother and punch like mad and laid some brilliant tackles and stopped some certain goals. His reading of the play was more than passable but sometimes let his man get a little too much space and couldn't always close the gap. IMO he performed exactly what he was recruited for.

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #320 on: March 29, 2012, 10:47:51 PM »
We got lazy tonight, we didn't stretch them at all with our fwd setup, we just bombed it long expecting to monster an undermanned Carlton defence, instead we made it easy for them. Dissapiinted in miller he's meant to be the hit up fwd he hardly did that. Jack didn't work hard enough either. Suck and tired of seeing duds like armfield have an 'arrival' game against us, broke the lines better than anyone on the ground.

Not slash your wrists dissapointment, but a big reality check. This caper is hard you need to earn it, it doesn't just fall into place nice easy

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #321 on: March 29, 2012, 10:49:56 PM »
Being smashed in contested marks means unless you can retain possession which we couldn't then its pretty much game over. We are just not strong in a pack marking situation. Vickery desperately needs to find some form, his efforts above his head are woeful at the present, even during the pre season he was very poor, a stark contrast to last year, seems to be totally lacking in confidence.

Our defence (and i use the term loosely) is our Achilles heel which i know is stating the bleeding obvious but it will be for at least this season until we recruit specialist defenders with both strength and height. All opponents expose this and play tall timber in the forward line where we are pretty much helpless to counter. At the moment all we can offer in height is Post who is quite simply a stop gap measure and is miles away from being a decent defender. Cloke should kick 10 goals against us next week (subject to his kicking), not sure who is going to be able to contest with him for four quarters.

Again as with every other season opener the hype of a big game has fatigued the players before they start. Once fatigued then the greatest game plan in the world wont win you a game if you are simply too tired to execute. Have we improved from last year, on tonight's effort alone you would have to say no, we got closer to the scum last season. Is there room for improvement, i think there is quite a bit but its going to be more a confidence thing given we could be 0-5 before we know whats happened.

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #322 on: March 29, 2012, 10:52:11 PM »
Playing Tuck and Jackson in the starting 21 was always going to backfire. :banghead Conca will never be a 'sub' again. BTW why wouldn't Matt White be played on Yarran tonight considering the job he did on him last year?

Yarrans and Whites graphs are going in opposite directions. White is limited, Yarran would have taken him apart.

No doubt, but you need to shut yarran down, was worth bringing him in for it especially with king out. Nahas and maric aren't as intense defensively

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #323 on: March 29, 2012, 10:56:43 PM »
Geezus... And you all thought I would over react :whistle
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #324 on: March 29, 2012, 10:57:47 PM »
Geezus... And you all thought I would over react :whistle
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #325 on: March 29, 2012, 11:06:48 PM »
Our defence is 2 years away so we are atleast 2 years away from playing finals.
Post is a Post. He really has no idea what hes doing.
Jack played lazy footy tonight. He could learn something from Thornton tonight. If you are willing to work hard & present hard then the ball will come. Our forward structure was non productive because noone was willing to present. It takes a leader to lead the way. To me it looked like he was too concerned to be a hero than work his ass off for the team & lead the way. Too little too late in the last when it's all over. Not good enough. Miller is a fill in player let's hope griffiths can take his place soon.

Lids was probably counting his money. If you want to play finals then as a leader he & Newman have to lead by example. Be clean, composed, self assured and a guiding light to the lesser likes. Bring the others into the game by showing leadership & example.

I came tonight expecting to lose but Im still bitterly disappointed because I want to see skill and poise and belief and all those things were non existant.

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #326 on: March 29, 2012, 11:12:15 PM »
Geezus... And you all thought I would over react :whistle
. C'mon, my post was sensible!!  ;D

Mate, it was pretty dissapointing
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #327 on: March 29, 2012, 11:22:35 PM »
Wow.....just wow.

Early thoughts are that we have a capability issue.
To play Tuck, Jackson and Grigg in the one side is just not seeing the forest for the trees.

Hardwick too close to it, that is not a good sign.

To be fair, who comes in?

A bad but not totally unexpected result. Hun should lap this up in the morning, as will Gerald and Roosy.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #328 on: March 29, 2012, 11:30:21 PM »
i think some of us - mostly the media - underestimated carlton. They played some high quality football when ours was at our worst and that was the difference. I thought our forward line was probably the most disappointing thing. Jack was waiting for the ball to pop over the back instead of leading, and vickery was a bit lacklustre at times. Miller was also a bit sloppy, missing marks and tackles.

The backline missed a cool head like batchelor i thought. But i suppose even newman looked a bit startled at times so maybe it was just the tempo of the game. Morris 1%ers was a positive. That smother in the 3rd quarter was solid. Still thought he left too much space on his opponent at times tho. Ellis played ok for his first game. Is a neat kick and with time will be a very important cog in the team.

Carltons 2nd/3rd tier players like curnow armfield and thornton looked good which was the most frustrating part. Seems that Carlton always find a way against us when it matters most. Yarrans goal in the last was freakish. Game killer.

Going to be a tough 5 rounds. Will be interesting to see what hardwick has to say in his press conf.


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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #329 on: March 29, 2012, 11:30:53 PM »
Geezus... And you all thought I would over react :whistle
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Mate, it was pretty dissapointing

We lost the second quarter and got blown out midway into the 4th. Still a few things to take away.

My old man is a QAFL level coach (nothing to gloat about but still insightful) and he's constantly picking. Anyone at the game notice the kick ins? I was front of third tier Ponsford and got a good view of structures. We had NO kick in plan. Zip. Newy held the ball up and there was no movement. Players were flat footed and Carlton held the gaps and their talls sheltered the press. Our kick ins turned into junior style of kicking to any free man you can find, or bomb long. Every team is employing a press. We need a get out tactic. Also, we never employed a press. We flooded and left open centre squares. Another I picked up was when Carlton were switching, our boys were running hard to cover their men and the new holes. But if you watched the linker, every time he would look down the guts to see if we had a free man due to one of our blokes straggling or losing their man due GI hurriedly getting numbers in front. They hurt us every time with this.