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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #345 on: March 30, 2012, 01:00:15 AM »
Don't think it was all doom and gloom. Many of our better players had a poor game. If Dusty kicked that goal we were 1 point behind at the 10 min mark.

Lids was quiet, Dusty was quiet, Vickey was no where, Newman hardly got a touch, Riewoldt was beaten. Other than Cotchin our A Graders were wel below par.
As always our bottom dozen are not AFL standard and were over awed, again. (Jackson, Post, Edwards, new comers Ellis and Morris were OK but over awed).

So to think we could have been in within a point in the last qtr is staggering.

Nothing has changed for me, finishing 7th or 8th is still 50-50, if we don't cop injuries and have some luck its possible, with some bad luck and injuries we could finish bottom 6. Still a long way away, just wish our President would shut up and stop pumping us up. Still don't have a B Grade or above KP backman. Grimes is our best backman and hes' played 10 games.

If I could have 1 wish, 1 wish in this world it would involve Daniel Jackson never playing a game of football again. As an opposition, you're happy when he has the ball in his hands. We will never play finals with Jackson in our best 22. Never.

Shame we don't have a easy game next week, would be good to get some momentum started with an easy win over an ordinary Brisbane or Port. Think next week will be same result as will Round 3. Our season will start in Round 4.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #346 on: March 30, 2012, 01:12:00 AM »
Im disapointed but at the end of the day Carlton are top four hopefuls, we are top 8 hopefuls... We  simply do not have their class yet.

Our season is not over.

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #347 on: March 30, 2012, 01:13:39 AM »
As an avid Carlton supporter "don't kill me" i like the Tigers, they are one of my favourite "other" teams.

I just thought our experienced players were the difference in the end and we got a pretty even effort from everyone in our team.

Richmond showed some good signs i thought, the midfield got clearances but i thought the tigers bombed the ball too much on top of Riewoldt and Vickery and really didn't give them a real good chance at taking the mark.

Also i think the Tigers need another real fast small forward to help Nahas out, i know you have Jake King but just think you guys need a zippy small forward, do you have one in the reserves that could come in ?

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #348 on: March 30, 2012, 01:16:05 AM »
Our season starts round 4 against Geelong Pope? :help

It started tonight with Edwards and Jako playing an all too familiar and disappointing role.

Realistically if we can't beat the Pies I'm hoping the Dees are focusing on the Jim Stynes game in Round 4 and they can be physically building to that and off the boil against us. This could be our saving grace in the next fortnight.




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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #349 on: March 30, 2012, 01:38:28 AM »
What makes me laugh is the blokes who pre season boasted of players like Edwards and Jackson tearing the house down and yet again they lead our insipid side once again.

We were virtually owned and  if it weren't for Cotch and Foley it would've been 100 pts.

Jack played for himself tonight

There is no excuse to lose by that margin. None!!  Every year we seem to find new ways to keep our % below 80. We are a joke and come rd 5 our % will be 70 and season on par like all the others we have to come know

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #350 on: March 30, 2012, 01:45:07 AM »
Our season starts round 4 against Geelong Pope? :help

It started tonight with Edwards and Jako playing an all too familiar and disappointing role.

Realistically if we can't beat the Pies I'm hoping the Dees are focusing on the Jim Stynes game in Round 4 and they can be physically building to that and off the boil against us. This could be our saving grace in the next fortnight.

I'm lazy and havent checked the fixture

Don't we have

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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #351 on: March 30, 2012, 01:46:34 AM »
What makes me laugh is the blokes who pre season boasted of players like Edwards and Jackson tearing the house down and yet again they lead our insipid side once again.

We were virtually owned and  if it weren't for Cotch and Foley it would've been 100 pts.

Jack played for himself tonight

There is no excuse to lose by that margin. None!!  Every year we seem to find new ways to keep our % below 80. We are a joke and come rd 5 our % will be 70 and season on par like all the others we have to come know

We'll never be successful with Edwards and Jackson on our list. Can't play. Move on.

Can find players like them easily for nothing in state leagues. Easily.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #352 on: March 30, 2012, 01:48:03 AM »
Sorry I've somehow ommitted the Dees game.

Its not that bad a fixture then. Good measuring stick versing Dees Round 3. Would think being 2-3 after 5 rounds would be a good result.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #353 on: March 30, 2012, 01:49:32 AM »
I'm sick to death of this teachers pet rubbish

If Dimma wants to play Favourites with these 2 then he should prepare for a very unsuccessful coaching career

They can't play not today not last year not ever


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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #354 on: March 30, 2012, 01:54:23 AM »
I'm sick to death of this teachers pet rubbish

If Dimma wants to play Favourites with these 2 then he should prepare for a very unsuccessful coaching career

They can't play not today not last year not ever

The only excuse is that unfortunately we probably don't have anyone that comes in that makes us better. So when trying to win a game you pick your best 22. Jackson and Edwards would be somewhere between 18-22.

I don't see Connors or say a young Helbig doing much better. The worst decision the club made was to resign Jackson last year. Horrible.

Look forward to the day our list is too good for Jackson or Edwards to get a game, its sad its taken so long. Probably a yard stick showing how bad we once were.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #356 on: March 30, 2012, 06:29:50 AM »
As an avid Carlton supporter "don't kill me" i like the Tigers, they are one of my favourite "other" teams.

I just thought our experienced players were the difference in the end and we got a pretty even effort from everyone in our team.

Richmond showed some good signs i thought, the midfield got clearances but i thought the tigers bombed the ball too much on top of Riewoldt and Vickery and really didn't give them a real good chance at taking the mark.

Also i think the Tigers need another real fast small forward to help Nahas out, i know you have Jake King but just think you guys need a zippy small forward, do you have one in the reserves that could come in ?
Addam Maric was brought over from Melbourne to be another small forward. There's really no one else after him, Nahas and King. At least not of the talent/class of a Garlett or Yarran. As happened at Hawthorn with them adding Rioli as the final piece of their premiership puzzle, that sort of player is still on our 'yet to do' list.

I agree with you about us lazily bombing the ball forward. Up and under kicks are easy to defend against. It was just systematic of our structures and systems just going to the wayside once Carlton put us under pressure. Too many of the usual suspects went to water. That second quarter from a Richmond perspective was diabolical. We were soft and lazy with our mids and forwards expecting the ball to come to then which meant our defenders often looked up and saw flat-footed teammates not presenting. There was one play where in the space of 30 secs two of our defenders each gained possession in and back 50 and looked towards the Southern stand wing for a lead and all our mids were still plodding away on the other side of the ground. Not one Tiger midfielder shifted across to the Southern stand wing whereas Carlton had about 4 players disciplinary set up in their zone.

Our defensive structures broke down far too often. Not just in our backline where Ratten worked out by the 2nd qtr that the Blues could exploit us by going through Post's direct opponent (another piece of puzzle missing is a big key defender). Long Carlton balls out of their defensive 50 were allowed to get over the back which gave Carlton an open forward and easy goals. I think on the radio they said Richmond's talls dropped 17 marks alone. Carlton are a good side as is without handing them charity. If I was Dimma I would've done my block in at half-time. It was as if all the preseason set-ups were thrown out of the window once the pressure of a real season went up. Some might blame have a soft lead into round 1 with GWS but we just had too many passengers who wanted it easy. Footy is a pretty simple game deep down. If you're not first to the ball and hard at it you don't win the footy.
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #357 on: March 30, 2012, 07:04:28 AM »
Didn't going in thinking we'd was hoping we would

I've always believed that when the real stuff starts pre-season form is just that "pre-season form" and it means nothing.

Biggest disappointment is 7 goals to 1 in the last 15-20 minutes = totally unacceptable but at the same time sadly not surprising. A goal down and the Blues got a very soft goal and then heads dropped. You can have the best game plan in the world but if mentally the majority of your team haven't got fortitude to dig that little bit deeper then you will end up with results like last night

Round 1, 2012 = REALITY CHECK

I thought our back 6 outside of Rance & Morris (and I will cut Ellis some slack here) were terrible.

Sadly Post showed last night why as I have said many times I don't think he will make it. He should be embarrassed by his game last night. I hate the term "soft" in the AFL because for players to get to this level they aren't soft. But when you refuse to go in for the ball and pull out of contess when you are about to cop a hit or hard body contact then what else can you call it? He was worse than terrible

We were promised from now on players have to earn games, then that should by extension players who play badly should get dropped. While understanding you can't drop all of them, there are some who simply don't deserve to wear that jumper not only next week but any time soon until they show they are committed to not just the jumper but the contest
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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #358 on: March 30, 2012, 08:00:13 AM »
shattered  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


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Re: Richmond V Carlton Round 1
« Reply #359 on: March 30, 2012, 09:42:08 AM »
I must admit the chicken little response is not as bad ad I thought.

What did people think martin's game? I notice that he barely gets a mention.
People often talk about players killing momentum....

Misses a "gimme" goal, and badly, one that would have put us with in a point.

Follows it up with a poor chase on betts ( i think). you could see martins effort drop off once he realised he could'nt catch him. The thing was that betts ran into trouble, which meant that if martin had chased hard he would have got to the contest, but by dropping off it allowed carlton to clear, and goal.

soon after he wrapped up judd in a tackle, but beacause it was half hearted he allowed judd to get his hands free, dish off and this resulted in another carlton goal.  basically that is game over from there.

He tackles and chases like he has to, not because he wants to. even nahas is a more proficient tackler than martin pound for pound

Martin needs to improve his defensive aspect still. he needs to learn that he can still impact games, even when he isn't with the ball.

Post was atrocious.

Vickery was poor up up forward, but at least tapped to advantage in the ruck.

Newman gave every indication that the pace of the game has gone past him.

Conca should not have played, particularily when you compare his output to their sub, lucas. he just lacked that edge you can only get from playing, rather than training.  we really needed those fresh legs to be match fit.

I though maric minor showed glimpses and although was relatively quiet ( not robinson carusoe there) his ability to spot up players in the forward 50 should be a valuable asset.

Morris's attack on the ball... :clapping. I reckon there were times that carlton forward were second guessing whether he was going to make them earn their kick. The amount of times he had to leave his man to pressure a loose blue taking possession was an indictment on the side as whole, but gee he does it like a madman.

Ellis, again without a lot of the ball, showed that he does belong when he did get it .

Deledio did a lot of hard work without having a major impact. i must admit i was surprised to see the amount of possessions he got. wasnt his fault we lost

Cotchin, atlthough his impact was curtailed a bit after swapping the tag to him at 1/4 time he carried the side  :bow

People question why griffiths has been playing down back, well last night answered that. we need a mosnter backman. simple as that. As much as rance has improved he struggles in the air against tall forwards, as does grimes. Untill we get that monster backmen we are going to get exposed down back when we get touched up in the middle.

funny how edwards gets singled out when there were so many poor performers. he was involved in a number of goals at least and didnt do a lot wrong, just didn't get involved enough.

Maric major.....he tried.

Overall we were beaten by a better side. The final margin is not a true reflection of the game, as it was really only the last quarter we we were cracked wide open. A trend in modern football, particlarily with young sides against more seasoned ones. The old adage about tall players not getting any smaller when the players get tired was shown once again to be true as the tall scum forwards ran riot as fatigue set in.

The media will be thinking mission accomplished. got every one worked up and then the fall. they will peeing themselves this morning.
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