Cloke??

[Coach]

Yes

So an ex-player and an ex-coach?

Makes you special?

 

No. Not sure what I have done in the past has to do with you saying Jack would get the 3rd best defender if we had Cloke and Maric/Vickery up forward. My theory is that clubs wouldn't do that. I sure as hell wouldn't send my gun full back up the ground to play on Cloke when you have Riewoldt to worry about in the goal square.

[RedanTiger]

If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.

Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'

[Coach]

If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.

Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'

Maybe he was carrying something if he was subbed off

[Yeahright]

If we played Adelaide tomorrow with Cloke in our lineup, Ben Rutten would go to Jack. He is Adelaides best defender.

Adelaide played Geelong this weekend. Talia played on Hawkins. Rutten played loose in defence and forward before being subbed off.
Just sayin'

Talia = CHB Hawkins = CHF
Rutten = FB ????? = FF since pods was injured. Probally why Rutten floated around, had no one to worry about haha

[Tigermonk]

why would we bother wreaking the career of Cloke. We cant hit up a target at the best of times, unless our players start playing like Cotchin. Gee l love watching that lad Cotchin play. Got 3 Brownlow medals written all over him.

[Coach]

Thing that annoys me is Nahas hitting up. He's making an effort but stuff me I doubt he could hold a mark if he had someone on right on his tail. It peees me off when our midgets hit up but Riewoldt is sitting in the square pointing and yelling

[dwaino]

Nahas should be taught to think of the footy as wraps, like how Junior Floyd imagined the ball as toilet rolls in Little Giants.

[Tigermonk]

Thing that annoys me is Nahas hitting up. He's making an effort but stuff me I doubt he could hold a mark if he had someone on right on his tail. It peees me off when our midgets hit up but Riewoldt is sitting in the square pointing and yelling

Thats all Rewoldt does is sit in the goal square & point the finger at players. l want the bloke out of Richmond. Anyone who thinks that guy is good around the club has rocks in thier head. l bet his missing his mate Conners

[Smokey]

With all the Cloke speculation and discussion I thought I would throw this post on tiger-talk into the mix:

A letter from a collingwood supporter

Dear Travis,

I’m going to keep this brief, as wasting any more oxygen, emotion or brain cells on you than I already have will end up the same way as a paedophile attending a Wiggles concert. Not so good.

You have 256 peers that, like you, have played all four matches from rounds fourteen through seventeen. Defenders, midfielders, forwards big and small, first-gamers, mature-aged recruits, players new to the sport from overseas, players returning from injury, players rotated an inordinate amount of times, players that spend a lot less TOG than you, players affected by the red/green vests etc. 256 players. Of that number, you have touched the ball more times in the last month than only 8% of your peers. Eight per-cent. From watching you in the media throughout your career, I understand that maths may not be your strongest suit, hell, anything remotely academic past year eight is probably not your bread and butter, so I’ll try and make things easier for you. Grab eleven mates. Join them and line up against a wall in order of best to worst, from first to twelfth. Currently Travis, you are twelfth, you are the worst.

And it’s not as if the entire 92% above you is made up of your Swans, Abletts, Thompsons, Boyds and Stantons. No, veterans like Carlton’s Matthew Watson (10 games), West Coast’s Jacob Brennan (11), Bulldog Christian Howard (13), Gold Coast’s Charlie Dixon (17) and Port’s Andrew Moore (20) are all getting more of the pill than you. Let’s not even mention the teenagers who have been getting more touches, names like: Greene, Ellis, Hampton, Treloar, Bennell, Caddy, Atley and Dahlhaus.

“It’s not all about possessions”, I hear you plead. OK, I’ll cut you some slack. You’re a key forward, a marking forward, a power forward. You’ve taken fourteen marks (eight contested) in the last month. Again, almost three-quarters of the league have snaffled more marks in that time, so you’ll struggle to hang your hat on any marking-related stat.

Goal-kicking? You’ve kicked six in the last month, at 1.5 per game (down even on your 1.57 career average). But in reality, are you even a goal-kicker? Let’s chew on that for a moment and compare your career stats versus your (positional) peers – key/leading/power/marking forwards in Franklin, Podsiadly, Brown, Pavlich, Riewoldt (x2) and Roughead. Hell, I’ll even throw the tip-rat Milne into the equation, as even he has managed to pants you over 250+ games the little bugger. That’s you against eight others. I’ll highlight a handful of categories with the leading player’s stat, the second-worst (or 8th of 9) stat and yours. Here goes:

Goals Per game:
BEST – Franklin 3.22 from 156 matches.
8th of NINE – Roughead 1.90 from 151 matches.
CLOKE – 1.57 from 165 matches.

Goal-Kicking Accuracy (never mind Out Of Bounds!):
BEST – Milne at 64.3%
8th of NINE – Franklin at 57.6%
CLOKE – 53.4%

Bags of goals (5+):
BEST – Franklin with 43 x 5+ goal matches
8th of NINE – Podsiadly with 11 bags (from only 54 matches)
CLOKE – 9 x 5+ goal matches

Frequency of kicking a bag of 5+ goals:
BEST – Franklin with one 5+ goal haul every 3.6 matches
8th of NINE – Milne at 1 every 14.0 matches
CLOKE – 1 every 18.3 matches.

So it turns out you’re not really a goal-kicker of any note either.

You’re not taking marks, therefore you’re not getting touches and as a result (not surprisingly given your very average career stats) you’re not kicking goals. Yet Daddy thinks you’re worth $1m+ a year? Let’s re-visit the blokes that sat below you in the stats count recently.

There are twenty-two players that have racked up less than your forty-one touches over the last month. Six of these players have been wearers of the green vest in Lovett-Murray and Campbell (3), Young and Newman (2), Patrick and Harper (1), so it would be unfair to bundle these blokes alongside you due to reduced ground time. Jack Darling (9), Lindsay Thomas (9), Ahmed Saad (7) and Robbie Tarrant (6) have kicked as many or more goals than you have, so they get a tick. Nathan Wilson, Sam Day and Jamie Elliott are still teenagers so it would be unfair to judge them harshly at this stage of their careers. Nick Duigan and Paul Puopolo, in only their second seasons, can be excused using a similar judgement. That leaves only seven blokes (of 256) that you can fairly say you are going better than:

Mike Pyke – a Canadian import whose output includes 22+ hit-outs per match
Matthew Lobbe – a 17-game veteran holding his own with 18 hit-outs per match
LRT and Andrejs Everitt – part of a team that’s gone 4-0 in that period
Matthew Warnock (key defender in a side that gets smashed), Jared Rivers and Justin Koschitzke.

Not too many Brownlows, Colemans or All-Australians in that bunch. Just good, honest toilers. Yet I’d hazard a guess that Daddy is trying to get a contract signed that earns you as much as these seven blokes combined. Yes, you’re a massive unit. Yes, you have a tank that allows you to run all day. Yes, you’ve had one good year (hell, so did Allen Jakovich and Adrian McAdam). But what you have allowed to happen by letting Daddy handle your affairs has been sad/comical/farcical to watch unfold.

I hope you kick twelve against GWS and beat up on them like a flat-track bully. I hope that performance will push to one side the on-field petulance you have shown increasingly of late. I hope you finish the year with a Collingwood flag, but will not be holding my breath on the last one. I also hope that your actions (and Daddy's) this year either see you squeezed out of the club, or forced to take 'unders' like the majority of the Collingwood squad already has.

Actually, I'd prefer you to go to Carlton.

Jack

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/tiger-talk/message/97266

[Coach]

Good to see Jackstar finally admit he is a Collingwood supporter

[yellowandback]

I wonder if that dude felt that way in the 2010 GF?
He earns his money both games.

Collingwood fans 

[Eat_em_Alive]

I wonder if that dude felt that way in the 2010 GF?
He earns his money both games.

Collingwood fans 

Deranged lunatics I believe they are

[WA Tiger]

GET CLOKE......

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Does Cloke block and give good handballs out the back?

[Tigershark]

We need Cloke and its as simple as that.  Besides Buddy and Pav hes the best available...ya build premiereshp teams around chf......look at this year......why do we bomb it inside 50....no chf.....why does jack get doubled-tripple teamed and smashed.....no chf....why will we miss finals......no chf........when will we make finals......when we have a chf.......what will get us to a flag.......chf........do it Tigers.......pull the trigger