"We're not good enough": Hardwick

[Ox]

stuff him off
Lazy and ugly.
Opp teams have him sussed big time.

[Ox]

l will beleive in Hardwick & his gossip when he drops Rewoldt. If that spud gets a game this coming week.  It will prove his a gutless coach just like all the others

Riewoldt is a superstar thats worth a number 1 in a national draft and a player or a top pick in the mini draft and a player  . He cant be dropped - he should be shopped to the highest bidder 

Well it dont matter if his dropped or not now. The season is over for Richmond FC. No Good being a super coach if your season was shot last month.

thats right

what a pack of dumb idiots

[eliminator]

Agree overall our players are not good enough. Rely on too few. Need a clean out

[10 FLAGS]

Are the likes of Nahas and Houli worth anything on the trade table - especially to a club like the Giants?

[Tigermonk]

Are the likes of Nahas and Houli worth anything on the trade table - especially to a club like the Giants?

Nahas is a required player
He swoops around packs & kicks goals. Also puts on alot of preasure tackling & niggling. He is least of our problem.
Edwards well his been around too long & would be better to trade

[TigerLand]

Fair call Dimma but let's see some action at the selection table on those who continually refuse to run hard to contests, lay a tackle at crunch times and have brain fades that simply cannot be put into words

And BTW somes the blokes Iam referring to are your favourites time for them to take a bit of physical contact and prove to me the jumper means something to them

Whilst I agree WP, what can we do?

Drop Riewoldt for Miller?...
Drop Moore for Verrier?...
Drop Maric for Webberley?..

Having got much in the shed. Dropping these guys only depletes the team even more.

Its easy to drop guys out of form when your list is full of players that are worth replacing with. We still have a list that from 12th player picked down is still very very very ordinary or not ready for AFL.

[Hellenic Tiger]

This is the problem you have when there is no competition for spots a malaise comes over some as they know only too well that they will not be dropped then they just drop off intencity with the next bloke is going to do it. Get a few blokes doing that add a few more who shouldn't be playing in a suburban side and mix that all together and you have a recipe of disaster which is not the coaches fault but one of environment circumstance and one where the onus must fall squarely on the players.

You can't keep blaming a coach. Simple as that no other explanation boys.

[Stripes]

I think you're right Tucker. It keeps come back to depth. Our top line players are good enough to take it to the best teams in the competition. When we had our first choice team we beat Hawthorn and Sydney and almost won against Collingwood, Geelong, West coast, Adelaide, North and Carlton. Could we have boasted that last year. Our best is good enough but when our better players drop off and need to be replaced we are exposed.

No depth equals no pressure for spots and no chance to cover injury.

Imagine Maric went out for the season or Cotch, Lids, Rance or Jack? Vickery is irreplaceable and we have suffered in his absence. Like Vickery, Foley can not be covered nor can Grimes. We need another tall forward, another tall backman and more quality midfielders.

Hardwick knows what type of player we need - strong bodied, good users of the ball who are willing to put their heads over the ball. Morris, King and Cotchin are Dimmas favourites for a reason - they never give up and if they make a mistake they make up for it in the next contest.

Dimma and the club and seeking to get the players to the club to fit this mould but he has only just been able to put together 22 players to compete. Developing and finding the players to provide pressure for spots/depth is the next step.

[Smokey]

I think you're right Tucker. It keeps come back to depth. Our top line players are good enough to take it to the best teams in the competition. When we had our first choice team we beat Hawthorn and Sydney and almost won against Collingwood, Geelong, West coast, Adelaide, North and Carlton. Could we have boasted that last year. Our best is good enough but when our better players drop off and need to be replaced we are exposed.

No depth equals no pressure for spots and no chance to cover injury.

Imagine Maric went out for the season or Cotch, Lids, Rance or Jack? Vickery is irreplaceable and we have suffered in his absence. Like Vickery, Foley can not be covered nor can Grimes. We need another tall forward, another tall backman and more quality midfielders.

Hardwick knows what type of player we need - strong bodied, good users of the ball who are willing to put their heads over the ball. Morris, King and Cotchin are Dimmas favourites for a reason - they never give up and if they make a mistake they make up for it in the next contest.

Dimma and the club and seeking to get the players to the club to fit this mould but he has only just been able to put together 22 players to compete. Developing and finding the players to provide pressure for spots/depth is the next step.

Spot on Stripes, excellent post.

[2JD]

I think you're right Tucker. It keeps come back to depth. Our top line players are good enough to take it to the best teams in the competition. When we had our first choice team we beat Hawthorn and Sydney and almost won against Collingwood, Geelong, West coast, Adelaide, North and Carlton. Could we have boasted that last year. Our best is good enough but when our better players drop off and need to be replaced we are exposed.

No depth equals no pressure for spots and no chance to cover injury.

Imagine Maric went out for the season or Cotch, Lids, Rance or Jack? Vickery is irreplaceable and we have suffered in his absence. Like Vickery, Foley can not be covered nor can Grimes. We need another tall forward, another tall backman and more quality midfielders.

Hardwick knows what type of player we need - strong bodied, good users of the ball who are willing to put their heads over the ball. Morris, King and Cotchin are Dimmas favourites for a reason - they never give up and if they make a mistake they make up for it in the next contest.

Dimma and the club and seeking to get the players to the club to fit this mould but he has only just been able to put together 22 players to compete. Developing and finding the players to provide pressure for spots/depth is the next step.

Spot on Stripes, excellent post.

  well said

[WilliamPowell]

Fair call Dimma but let's see some action at the selection table on those who continually refuse to run hard to contests, lay a tackle at crunch times and have brain fades that simply cannot be put into words

And BTW somes the blokes Iam referring to are your favourites time for them to take a bit of physical contact and prove to me the jumper means something to them

Whilst I agree WP, what can we do?

Drop Riewoldt for Miller?...
Drop Moore for Verrier?...
Drop Maric for Webberley?..

Having got much in the shed. Dropping these guys only depletes the team even more.

Its easy to drop guys out of form when your list is full of players that are worth replacing with. We still have a list that from 12th player picked down is still very very very ordinary or not ready for AFL.

Agree with you Pope - said in the changes for Brissie game thread, that sitting at the game on Sautruday night and having the injured players behind told me why there wont be too many changes

However stil think you can:

Drop Minin Maric for Matt White - at least with Matt you knwo he will attack the contest and give you a contest. Unlike Mini who since the Saints game just stops & props and seems unwilling to try and tackle

Drop Moore for Griffiths if he is fit

Drop McGuane for Batchelor - again if he is fit

As for the others who refuse to go in for a hard ball - well they survive simple because we have no one else

And BTW - very good post Stripes 

[Mr Magic]

The list is not good enough Dimma.

Focus needs to be on that.

[unplugged]

This is the problem you have when there is no competition for spots a malaise comes over some as they know only too well that they will not be dropped then they just drop off intencity with the next bloke is going to do it. Get a few blokes doing that add a few more who shouldn't be playing in a suburban side and mix that all together and you have a recipe of disaster which is not the coaches fault but one of environment circumstance and one where the onus must fall squarely on the players.

You can't keep blaming a coach. Simple as that no other explanation boys.

Yes you can.  He recruited most of these duds down at Coburg.  How is Nason going?  We should have a third year player from that draft pick that would be providing depth at the very least.  How many other picks have we stuffed up under Hardwick.  Was the same fantasy that people projected under Wallace while he continuously recruited duds that never made it.

Do people think our list development is magic and the coach is a spectator to every facet of the football club and thus absolved of all responsibility. 

[Mr Magic]

He recruited most of these duds down at Coburg. 

Huh?? 
Blame the list manager.

[10 FLAGS]

What weve seen is an indictment on all Richmond coaches and administrations over the past decade and certainly the period of 2004 through 2007. That Hardwick has made 30 changes to the list in 2 and half years and that we still have another 10 to go is a disgrace. This is not Hardwicks fault. Couple that with rebuilding during compromised drafts and the result is that Hardwick has done a very very good job IMHO.