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Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« on: July 30, 2012, 03:38:04 AM »
Just give Tigers a little more time
   
    Rohan Connolly
    The Age
    July 30, 2012


YOU HAD only to see coach Damien Hardwick with his head in his hands a good couple of minutes after the siren at the MCG on Saturday night to know how shattering yet another narrow loss was for Richmond.

Thirteen points up on Carlton with a tick over seven minutes to play, and with the conditions making scoring difficult, the Tigers should have had it done and dusted. But a skill error here, a poor decision there and the nightmare was played out again.

Nine losses in 2012 by 21 points or less, the past three by a total of just 10, is enough to rip morale to pieces in even the most resilient unit. And perhaps now, with the finals flame extinguished, that might happen.

But it doesn't take too much logic, or research, to find case studies echoing the Tigers', and evidence that in the longer term, this year's excruciating frustration might even be the making of them.

Take one of their rivals right now, North Melbourne. The Kangaroos last year lost seven games by 17 points or less. This season, they've lost a couple more by a kick. But they've also won four narrow scapes, again by 17 points or fewer, and are more likely than not to turn a frustrating finish of ninth in the past two years into a finals appearance in 2012.

Going back further, Essendon in 1980 lost nine games by 14 points or fewer, finishing more than four games out of finals contention with 10 wins. In 1981, the Bombers, with more or less the same list, won 16, and on the eve of that season's finals series was a joint flag favourite.

In 1978, Fitzroy managed to lose eight games by 11 points or less, seven of those defeats coming within the first 11 rounds, a finish of ninth in a 12-team competition the consequence. The following season, the Roys exorcised those demons with some thumping victories and nearly doubled their win tally to 15, winning an elimination final besides.

Those Richmond sceptics heartily sick of the talk of the future will point out those latter two examples also changed coaches. That's not on in this case. Hardwick has a very solid foundation with which to work.

The Tigers could certainly use another key forward, another defender and perhaps even another midfielder. But what they need most is simply a little more time - to develop, hone further their skills and iron out the remaining chinks.

Twelve or 13 more goals spread across nine games and we'd be talking about a team close to the top of the ladder. And however painful this year has proved for the Tiger army, it also should be tangible proof they're within touching distance of something a lot more substantial.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/just-give-tigers-a-little-more-time-20120729-236gl.html#ixzz222BPF281

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2012, 09:15:39 AM »
You know you are clutching at straws when you quote Fitzroy.  Hate to break it to Rohan but we all know how that ended.....

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2012, 09:40:33 AM »
Only time will tell.

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2012, 09:54:10 AM »
Excruciating frustration...that sums season 2012 up to a tee..
Unleash the tornado

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2012, 11:54:08 AM »
2013 is the barometer,  was always going to
be for those with their feet firmly planted
on the ground.

but hey dont the SACK HARDWICK threads
get a good work out.

im expecting severla more before
the end of the year. :thumbsup

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2012, 01:29:02 PM »
I expect us to win about 15 games next year. Here's a few reasons why:

The return of a fully fit Grimes, Foley and Vickery
Further improvement and strength in Griffiths, Post, Astbury, Elton, Browne
Better functioning forward line with Griffiths, Vickery and Reiwoldt
Better functioning defence with Rance, Post and Grimes
The young talls getting alot more games than this year will improve as players and our back/forward 6 will gel quickly
Our forward line cost us games this year but things will change

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2012, 01:59:00 PM »
:lol

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2012, 11:50:39 PM »
!Better than Greenberg's attempt on the website to sooth the fans!

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2012, 09:05:02 AM »
Oh the joy, all these injured players back from injury and no new injuries!
You beauty, we are in!
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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 11:49:08 AM »
If we want to make finals next year we just have to achieve one simple thing - no player can be irreplaceable.

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Rohan Connolly on SEN talking Richmond
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 06:49:56 PM »
Connolly was talking about Richmond on SEN just now with Schwarz and Tony Schibeci who is also a Tigers man.

* Richmond is closer to sustained success than at any time in the past 30 years.

* He pulled off a range of stats and KPIs that indicate we have greatly improved.

* So why is Richmond not getting across the line given those stats? Difference isn't magical. It's inexperience and a lack of poise under pressure that results from that lack of experience. Richmond has the youngest list outside the two new teams.

* Richmond needs another key forward next to Jack (a classier version than Vickery), another defender and perhaps another midfielder although the midfield is already quite good.

* We reminded him of his beloved Essendon in 1980 which was young (baby bombers) and lost 9 games by close margins. They made the finals the following year.

* He's seen the "Sack Hardwick" threads on Tiger forums appearing recently (Rohan clearly reads OER ;D). The worst thing Richmond could do now is go on a witchhunt looking for something fundamentally wrong with what the Club is doing. Nothing is fundamentally wrong. Further improvement to make finals just takes more time and experience.

* Schibeci brought up the stat of Fitzroy playing more finals than Richmond since 1982 and that's the kind of thing that grinds Tiger supporters' guts. Rohan replied that the 1995 and 2001 finals sides were more gritty sides that didn't have half the talent this current young group has. So stick with them Tiger fans.

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Lethal likes what he sees in Richmond (afl site)
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 06:25:35 PM »
Leigh Matthews is still a believer in the Tigers ...

Lethal likes what he sees
afl.com.au
Fri 03 Aug, 2012


Highly-respected football commentator and great of the game, Leigh Matthews, believes Richmond is on track to deliver on-field success in the near future.

Matthews said Richmond’s future remained bright despite the results of the past three weeks.

“They have beaten some good teams early in the year - they have beaten Sydney by 29 points, thrashed Hawthorn by 62 points and they beat St Kilda so they are a very capable team,” Matthews said.

“At the moment, they are at the depths of despair because they have lost three really close games and I think that is the end of their season.

“But I also think you have got to look at it in the big picture that Richmond, to me, are a side that should have hope for the future.

“Sometimes with close losses, really there is a lot of good luck or good fortune that comes into it and Richmond has lost five games by 10 points or less and that means they might finish around 12th but if I was a Richmond supporter I would have a bit of hope about where they are going from next year onwards.”

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/143502/default.aspx

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Re: Lethal likes what he sees in Richmond (afl site)
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2012, 06:31:13 PM »
if I was a Richmond supporter I would have a bit of hope about where they are going from next year onwards.”


That's all we've had to go with for years now.

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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2012, 06:39:47 PM »
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Re: Just give Tigers a little more time (Age)
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 06:58:46 PM »
I expect us to win about 15 games next year. Here's a few reasons why:

The return of a fully fit Grimes, Foley and Vickery -  we couldnt win when we had em this yr.
Further improvement and strength in Griffiths, Post, Astbury, Elton, Browne - every single club will be hoping for similar what makes you think our lot will improve more than other teams.
Better functioning forward line with Griffiths, Vickery and Reiwoldt -  griffiths hasnt showed at any time he can play forward at afl level. vickery is a ruck forward who must become more of a ruckman.  forward line wont get any better with king nahas and edwards still in it.
Better functioning defence with Rance, Post and Grimes - again we have had rance grimes and griffiths and struggled in key areas.
The young talls getting alot more games than this year will improve as players and our back/forward 6 will gel quickly - getting games does not automatically equate to improvement itmay  take 5 yrs beforw we see significant improvement from the talls it may only take 3. again other sides will be looking fior similar.
Our forward line cost us games this year but things will change
just added on to what you said madone. we need significant change in personell. we need time to get what good players we have up to 80 100 games we ned an infusionof experience and we need more quality and depth. 15 games is highly optimistic.it could be we have a horror run with injury and win less games next yr than this.