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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2012, 10:39:11 PM »
People say that tanking had effected the clubs culture

I say it had nothing to do with it

The culling of JM had more of an effect on the club

They did what they had to do and now have 3 top 10 picks.

End of story
I am convinced that people who think like this have played very little competitive sport, of were not really that competitive when they did.

Melbourne are absoloutely pooe tanking had nothing to do with.

Richmond see above, you saying we tanked too. We were not smart enough to tank instead we blew draft pick after draft pick on players like Brown, Sugar as well as wasting picks i.e 2005
If we tanked we wouldve screwed it up and used the pick on spuds like Mcmlovin instead of guns like Ward and Selwood.

Lets take the Blues then shall we. Everyone is convinced they tanked as i am.

Pretty bad effect on the playing group that has had. Since they recruited Kruzer its only been north for them on the ladder.

How about the Magpies when they tanked for Pendles and Thomas. Gee they have suffered ever since havent they

Smart clubs do it well

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 11:29:45 PM »
lol.....you would be happy to swap Cotch for Kruezer then ? :lol

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2012, 07:49:24 AM »
lol.....you would be happy to swap Cotch for Kruezer then ? :lol

Not the point mate of course I wouldn't like In glad we got Dusty and not the other 2.

Martello is suggesting the reason why clubs who tank are are so poo is because they tanked and it affected the group

I disagree

Good clubs do it well e.g Eagles, Pies and in years to come maybe Melbourne too



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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2012, 08:20:46 AM »
no he's saying that melbourne tanked and that the culture that deliberately losing garners will be one that we have seen at melbourne.

Lets revisit what malhouse said about melbourne and the task at hand for neeld

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He(Mark Neeld) is starting from scratch, make no mistake about it. Melbourne, inside the football club, were not a football club, it was all about anything else but football, I can assure you.

Now while that, coming from the great saviour of all things in the world, mich malthouse seems to pretty much sum up where melbourne were at, i understand that people make up their mind and rarely change it regardless of what is presented before them.

all I was saying is that people who think that deliberately losing cant have a negative affect on the culture of a football club, probably havent spent too much time in a competitive sporting environment.

It's the only explaination i can come up with as why they would have a lack of understanding of such things.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2012, 09:31:30 AM »
Jim Stynes a brownlow medalist
John Worsfold
Mick Malthouse
Rattan
Sticks

All of the above played a big part in getting the best players for their footy club through one form of tanking

And they all played competitive football

MM comments well his in the media and his role is to stir up controversy

I would argue that their recruitment and development has been very very average, hence why they are in the spot they are in

Morton
Blease
Watts
Strauss

They have completely screwed their draft selections up and I would argue their 2008 draft was a lot worse than our 2004 botched job



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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2012, 03:22:35 PM »
oh, i forgot that every club that ever finished last did so only because they tanked and there is no other explanation.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2012, 04:14:38 PM »
I noticed on AFL360 last night that David King was being pressed by Robbo about whether he thought that we tanked in that last game against St. Kilda.

He just said that Polak dropped a mark near the end of the game that he'd taken 100 times out of 100 before that, so we weren't tanking.

I think since the late 90's when teams started to realise the value of the draft picks and that picking good players wasn't such a guessing game, teams have tanked.

Melbourne's tanking was just so obvious compared to other sides. Ruckmen at full back, Brad Miller rucking, halving the amount of interchanges they'd usually have, players that were on fire and playing well getting benched or moved to the other end of the ground, it wasn't very well done.
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2012, 11:05:21 AM »
I noticed on AFL360 last night that David King was being pressed by Robbo about whether he thought that we tanked in that last game against St. Kilda.

He just said that Polak dropped a mark near the end of the game that he'd taken 100 times out of 100 before that, so we weren't tanking.

I think since the late 90's when teams started to realise the value of the draft picks and that picking good players wasn't such a guessing game, teams have tanked.

Melbourne's tanking was just so obvious compared to other sides. Ruckmen at full back, Brad Miller rucking, halving the amount of interchanges they'd usually have, players that were on fire and playing well getting benched or moved to the other end of the ground, it wasn't very well done.

Nothing they have done for the last 50 years has been much good  :lol
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2012, 06:11:40 PM »
Nathan Brown on Triple M this arvo said that in their review of that game against Melbourne they certainly perceived Melbourne as a team trying to lose.

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2012, 11:52:37 PM »
I noticed on AFL360 last night that David King was being pressed by Robbo about whether he thought that we tanked in that last game against St. Kilda.

He just said that Polak dropped a mark near the end of the game that he'd taken 100 times out of 100 before that, so we weren't tanking.

I think since the late 90's when teams started to realise the value of the draft picks and that picking good players wasn't such a guessing game, teams have tanked.

Melbourne's tanking was just so obvious compared to other sides. Ruckmen at full back, Brad Miller rucking, halving the amount of interchanges they'd usually have, players that were on fire and playing well getting benched or moved to the other end of the ground, it wasn't very well done.
Yep it was about as obvious as an Olympic badmitton player :yep.

Still amusing McLean left a club because it was tanking to go to Carlton who had been tanking and had been caught salary cap cheating  :wallywink 
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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2012, 12:44:12 AM »
oh, i forgot that every club that ever finished last did so only because they tanked and there is no other explanation.

There you go unable to provide anything descent to say

It seems you have an issue reading Ali

I said collingwood, eagles, melbourne. Ooh and Carlton but hey I guess they didn't tank either

Didn't mention any other team

Eagles finish bottom then wow who would've thought straight up they go

No point discussing with you, you repeat the same crap over and over

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2012, 04:26:57 PM »
With the Dees under investigation for tanking, they were forced to win today  :wallywink.

LOL Plough today on TAC Cup Future Stars saying they could've had Martin instead of Scully and that it's fine having all these early picks but it's what you do with them that counts. Terry knows that from first hand experience  :doh.
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Melbourne grilled over losses as tanking investigation intensifies

    Jay Clark
    From: Herald Sun
    August 11, 2012


THE AFL has zeroed in on former Melbourne officials as its tanking investigation intensifies.

The league's integrity chief, Brett Clothier, has interrogated former coaches and key football figures amid claims the club had a strategy to lose games to improve its draft picks in 2008-09.

The AFL has kept quiet the names of those it wanted to interview as part of the tanking probe.

But the Herald Sun understood those quizzed included former development coach Scott West, ex-recruiting chief Barry Prendergast and former senior coach Dean Bailey.

Clothier has also been in contact with current Melbourne staff who worked under Bailey in the football department.

While Bailey, Prendergast and West have all left the club, they were asked to detail their understanding of the Demons' on-field strategy at the time and whether the club deliberately set out to lose games or observed any questionable coaching moves.

In a warning to clubs, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou said any club found guilty of tanking would be severely punished.

The autobiography of former president Jim Stynes, due for release on August 22, was expected to shed light on the club's on-field philosophy.

The book, My Journey, outlined Stynes' view on the tanking issue and the circumstances that led to Bailey's departure, after a humiliating defeat to Geelong last year.

The AFL re-opened its probe into tanking after former Demon Brock McLean said he left the club partly because he was at odds with its on-field intentions.

"You can't create a good culture by going out and experimenting and trying to get draft picks and losing games of football," McLean told Fox Footy's On The Couch.

Clothier's interviews with the former Dees officials and coaching staff were believed have ranged from 30 minutes to an hour. The results of the investigation could be known as early as next week.

The AFL has long denied tanking exists but has said that it wanted to get to the bottom of the allegations.

Bailey said he happily experimented with players' positions to help their development in his time as coach.

"I had no hesitation at all in the first two years in ensuring the club was well placed for draft picks," Bailey said after being sacked last year.

"I was asked to do the best thing by the Melbourne Football Club and I did it. I put players in different positions."

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New Dees tank claim (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2012, 02:46:11 AM »
New Dees tank claim

    Michael Warner, Mark Robinson
    From: Herald Sun
    August 17, 2012


THE MATCH - Melbourne v Sydney Round 17 Manuka Oval, Canberra July 26, 2009 OUT: Mark Jamar (quad), Brock McLean (knee), Jack Grimes (back), Brad Green (leg), Russell Robertson (dropped), James Frawley (back) and Neville Jetta (flu). IN: Kyle Cheney, Michael Newton, Paul Johnson, Shane Valenti, Matthew Whelan, Brad Miller and Jordie McKenzie.

A NEW suspect game has emerged as the AFL probes tanking claims against Melbourne.

The Demons lost to Sydney in Canberra in Round 17, 2009, after making seven changes from the previous week.

Six players were listed as injured or ill and another was dropped.

Figures connected to the club have told the Herald Sun they were privy to a conversation with a senior Melbourne official the night before the match which indicated steps had been taken to reduce the prospect of a win.

The conversation at a Canberra hotel centred around concerns the Demons would win too many games in 2009, costing them a priority pick at the national draft.

"We'll be right, we've made eight changes," the Melbourne official is alleged to have said.

Associates of the club have said they would consider submitting to formal interview as part of the AFL's tanking probe.

A Herald Sun investigation has revealed:

* THEN Melbourne captain James McDonald has been interviewed by the AFL and denies tanking took place.

* ONE of Melbourne's club doctors from 2009 said "blind Freddy could tell the team wasn't picked for optimal performance" late in the season.

* TWO of the seven changes for the Canberra match were made after team selection.

* MELBOURNE'S interchange rotations fell dramatically in the match and other late-season games.

The Demons would not comment yesterday when asked about the Canberra game or the tanking investigation.

Asked about the Manuka match last night, an AFL spokesman said: "We are not providing a running commentary on the investigation or confirming who or how many people we have spoken to".

The AFL inquiry, led by chief integrity officer Brett Clothier, has involved interviews with a number of past and present Demons officials.

They include 2008-2011 senior coach Dean Bailey, innovations coach Dave Dunbar, part-time development coach Scott West, recruiting manager Barry Prendergast and McDonald.

Vice-president Don McLardy, football operations manager Chris Connolly, chief executive Cameron Schwab and assistant coaches Sean Wellman, Mark Williams and Josh Mahoney are also on the AFL's interview list.

At the centre of the investigation are questions about Melbourne's selection and game-day strategy.

Tanking occurs when a team deliberately sets out to lose games.

The tanking furore has previously centred on the Melbourne' narrow Round 18 loss to Richmond, where Tiger Jordan McMahon kicked a match-winning goal after the siren, and the Round 22 loss to St Kilda, involving several puzzling interchange and positional moves.

In the Swans match in Canberra in Round 17, Melbourne used their interchange bench 67 times - down from their season average of 85.

Melbourne's five lowest interchange totals of the year occurred from rounds 17-22.

In Round 18 it was 47, their lowest of the season. In Round 19 it was 49, in Round 21 it was 56, and in Round 22 it was 73.

But in Round 20 against Fremantle, which the Demons won at the MCG by 63 points, the interchange numbers climbed to 99, their third highest of the season.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/new-dees-tank-claim/story-e6frf9io-1226452166769

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Re: Melbourne was tanking so I left: Brock McLean (fox footy)
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2012, 09:19:32 AM »
No doubt they're guilty. I wonder what the penalty will be?
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