Pick 9 any ideas.

[one-eyed]

Emma Quayle ‏was asked on twitter about her mentioning Corr in her article today in the Age:

" think it'll be vlastuin, with corr a back up plan that won't need to be used "

" back up plan if Vlastuin isn't there i think. but he will be."

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Some non-Tiger whispers ...

"My colleague approached Neeld and after after a bit of friendly banter, asked him if we were going to take Wines at pick 4. She was told by Neeld that Wines is not rated in the best four players by us at the draft."

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ollie-wines-todd-viney-herald-sun-article.979926/page-2#post-26411494

So Wines may slip down the draft order.

[tigs2011]

No surprise there from me. I think he's a 10-20 prospect.

[Penelope]

why so tigs? why would you rate vlastuin higher?

[Rampstar]

Wines seems slow to me. Vlastuin isnt overly quick but should have enough if he is to play as an inside midfielder.

[tigs2011]

Wines seems slow to me. Vlastuin isnt overly quick but should have enough if he is to play as an inside midfielder.

this and his kicking. Tho I am warming to him a bit.

[one-eyed]

If you want to read a summary from someone who isn't a fan of Vlastuin then read Quigley's mock draft on BF.

Full detailed mock draft here: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/

Nick Vlastuin
DOB:19/4/94 Ht: 187 Wt: 86

Vlastuin is being talked up by some as a top 10 selection particularly to Richmond at 9. I don't agree with that ranking myself but Richmond do like to reach for this kind of player (eg Conca a couple of years ago). Vlastuin has a few nice things going for him but also a few inherent limitations which would see him fall to the mid 20s I think were he not the Vic Metro captain. Unfortunately a lot of teams share the bias toward Metro players and he will probably end up going higher than I think he deserves.

Okay first the good. Vlastuin provides a good physical presence no matter where he is playing on the park. He goes in hard and gets the ball and is not afraid to take a hit or two. He is a nice size and should develop into a powerful bodied player who can play the same way at AFL football. Despite lacking a yard of pace he moves through traffic well and to use a NFL term he identifies the seam and attacks it very nicely. He is not a big stepper but he swerves through traffic well enough and takes advantage of those who are not in a position to tackle him effectively. His ability to get through traffic is definitely a strength of his. The other big selling point for him is his leadership. He has captained at every level as far as I am aware and he leads both with actions and words. He was the guy doing the talking in the circle at the Champs and feedback from his coaches have been glowing on his leadership ability. He is also a player who does the team things that open the game up for others.

His kicking is also often talked up as a strength of his. Personally I think it is solid but not near the elite category. He is a right footer who can use his left but is a bit dubious with it. He needs to flatten his kicking out a bit as at the moment he has a bit too much loop. He has good penetration on his kicks and uses his long kicking about 80% of the time. Personally I do not really like his tendency to bomb long to a contest on most occasions. This might get him an effective kick in the stats line but it often does not do his team a lot of good. He needs to lower his eyes and start to pick out targets more in the short to intermediate range. Currently the hurt factor is not there on his kicks and if he starts to pick out targets more this should go up.

By hand he is often more damaging than by foot. He is probably the best exponent of the long handball in this draft and I watched him bring out a 30m ripper at the Champs to hit the man in stride and put him away. In contested situations he has shown nice quick hands and hits the receiver with a chance to use it. With the ball on the ground his hands are soft and he gathers or controls the ball nicely. In defence the ability to collect cleanly and go is an underrated skill and is something I am sure coaches would be interested in. At the back Vlastuin does nicely getting back and cleaning up messes.

Above his head his hands are a bit above average but probably not a lot more than that. His hands often look better than that because he has superior ability to judge the ball in the air and he works well into position to mark the ball. He drifts in front of contests and does not mind flying for the ball if it is warranted. When he flies he controls his body nicely and gives himself every chance to mark the ball. His hands are pretty soft but he does spill his share of marks many of which you would expect him to take.

Athletically is where a lot of the concerns are. Although he does gut run pretty well his tank seems pretty poor for a midfield prospect and given his experience and time in elite programs including the AIS I am inclined to think it always would be relative to other AFL players. He will get better for sure with focus on the problem but I would suggest he would have endurance levels below average and when we are likely moving into an era with capped interchanges that has to be considered. The other issue for him is pace. Although he does do some things nicely at pace he has a pretty low top end speed and looked slow compared to a few forwards he played against at the Champs like Mason Wood for one.

So where will he go? Take a step back and consider that we are dealing with a player who is athletically challenged and played predominately as a small defender at the Champs. When he went into the middle he did so to tag an opposition player as far as I could see and did not have the endurance to play there for extended periods. Then consider where you are going to play him next year. At the moment he does not have the endurance to play in the midfield at AFL level and small forwards are likely to beat him pretty easily for pace at the back. For those issues alone there should be no way he would be considered a top 10 pick.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2012-mock.980920/

[Penelope]

Wines seems slow to me. Vlastuin isnt overly quick but should have enough if he is to play as an inside midfielder.

this and his kicking. Tho I am warming to him a bit.

cheers fellas

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.

[one-eyed]

Emma Quayle has Vlastuin 15th in her top 25 pick of the draft crop. She once again also mentions Aidan Corr as a possible choice at our first pick also [on twitter she says only if Vlastuin has gone before our pick].

1. Daniher
2. Whitfield
3. Menzel
4. Toumpas
5. O'Rourke
6. Plowman
7. Viney
8. Wines
9. Stringer
10. Grundy
11. Macrae
12. Kennedy
13. Simpson
14. Mayes

15. NICK VLASTUIN
(Northern Knights. 18, 187cm, 86kg)
Vlastuin is a soldier: he puts his head down, doesn't worry about anything but what's in front of him and loves to sit other players on their backsides and get dirty. He's still developing the tank to run as a full-time onballer but that should happen once he goes full-time. There isn't much space between "Tigger's" best footy and quiet games. He generally just plays well.
Who will pick him? Richmond, is the word. The Tigers have been linked to Vlastuin for quite some time. There's plenty of clubs looking for midfielders after that; Carlton would consider him at 11, and Geelong is also interested.

16. Garner
17. Wood
18. Jaksch
19. Wright
20. Lonergan
21. Hrovat
22. O'Brien

23. AIDAN CORR
(Northern Knights. 18, 195cm, 86kg)
Corr was held back at times by injury too this year, but is another solid competitor who sticks to his man. While he doesn't win heaps of the ball, he makes sure that his opponents don't either. Can also clunk a mark playing forward.
Who will pick him? He's an option for Richmond at nine, Gold Coast at 13, and GWS at 12 or 14. From there could go anywhere in the teens to the early 20s.

24. Clurey
25. Membrey

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-pick-of-the-crop-20121117-29jct.html#ixzz2CUaJWSA6

[Dubstep Dookie]

Here's Reg Grundy's write up from Ms Quayle. Starting to hope we pick Reg at 9 then go best available mids with our two picks in the 30s

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/the-pick-of-the-crop-20121117-29jct.html#ixzz2CWTzhg8t

I'm worried I have Grundy a bit low. He's the best ruckman around, by a long way, and has qualities you can't teach: an aggressive attitude and a want to always compete. Off the ground he's a smart, left field thinker who likes to ponder life's many mysteries. On it, he plays like a big guy: he's imposing, he directs play from the ruck and he throws himself around.
Who will pick him? Grundy could become a Port Adelaide player at pick seven; if he doesn't, he could slide a bit. He would be a bargain for GWS at 14 if even the Giants overlooked him, he would surely appeal to North Melbourne, Geelong or the Dockers.

[torch]

We need a player who can play midfield straight away.

I am not overally excited about Vlastuin compared to Lonergan, Stringer or Corr.

Need someone with pace and hardness.

Though Stringer can play as a tall midfielder and is a bull.

Corr is probably the best stopping defender. (ala Dale Morris)

[one-eyed]

Rohan Connolly on SEN mentioned Plowman or Vlastuin going to us based on what Quayle has said. He reckons many of the mids in this draft are much alike. Rohan said Vlastuin would be a good pick up for us as we already have the cream at the top in our midfield but need to add to our midfield depth.

[Chuck17]

I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.

Wow the good old X factor haven't heard that term bandied around that much lately, unfortunately I link that term to JON. Takes a lot of balls to gamble a top ten pick on X factor.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.

Wow the good old X factor haven't heard that term bandied around that much lately, unfortunately I link that term to JON. Takes a lot of balls to gamble a top ten pick on X factor.

Jon had NO FACTOR!!!!!

Unfair comparison. Guys like Kennedy, Simpson and Garlett are streets ahead of him.

[Tigeritis™©®]

I hope we pick a kid with lots of X factor. We must back our development team to make them more consistent or more accountable. These are the two main reasons why these types may slide. Players like Simpson and Garlett. Our side is starting to look one dimensional with all these safe picks.

Wow the good old X factor haven't heard that term bandied around that much lately, unfortunately I link that term to JON. Takes a lot of balls to gamble a top ten pick on X factor.

Jon had NO FACTOR!!!!!

Unfair comparison. Guys like Kennedy, Simpson and Garlett are streets ahead of him.

X factor pfft. Didn't you see his highlights tape? Apparently was Hird/Buckley/Voss/Rioli like in that vid. All class with excess factor x 100.
Why else would jacko pick him at number 8?