List analysis [merged]

[Judge Roughneck]

When I see the thread title "List analysis" with "last post by Claw" I get a tingle in the loins......

One one life's unadulterated joys.

Claw puts the "anal" in analysis.

Nothing wrong with this, IMO.

In regards to football, list managment is the most important of lifes things. Even the greatest of teams and coaches wont win without the cattle.

[mightytiges]

Update post-all drafts:

* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.

List Analysis

Age - as of April 2014 (start of the season)

31: Newman (233), Stephenson# (14)
30: King (105), A.Edwards (91)
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28: Foley (136), Jackson (146), Maric (118 ), Chaplin (162)
27: Deledio (195), Knights (101), Thomas# (87)
26: Grigg (109), Hampson (63)
25: S.Edwards (129), Houli (91), Morris (43), Riewoldt (134), Petterd (66)
24: Cotchin (108 ), Rance (89), Gordon (2), Lloyd (-)
23: Astbury (29), Vickery (75), Banfield# (53)
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22: Batchelor (39), Dea (24), Griffiths (19), Grimes (26), Helbig (16), Martin (86), Miles# (10)
21: Conca (52), Elton (1)
20: Arnot (4), Ellis (42), O'Hanlon (8 ), Vlastuin (18 ), McIntosh (-), McDonough (1), Darrou# (-)
19: McBean (-), Williams# (-)
18: Lennon (-)

Oldies:  4
Prime:  21
Youth: 19


Experience

200+ games:    1
150-199:         2
100-149:         9
50-99:           10
25-49:            5
1-25:             11
Yet to debut:   6


Height (cm)

Rucks       (200+):     5 - McBean (203), Hampson (201), Maric (200), Vickery (200), Stephenson# (200)

Big KPPs    (195-200):  5 - Griffiths (200), Elton (197), Astbury (195), Riewoldt (195), Chaplin (195)

KPPs        (190-194):  4 - Rance (194), Grimes (193), McIntosh* (192), Darrou# (190)

Tall Mids   (186-190): 11 - Jackson (190), Grigg (190), Lennon (189), O'Hanlon (189), Batchelor (188 ), Deledio (188 ), Gordon (188 ), Martin (187), Dea (186), Thomas# (186), Vlastuin (186)

Mids        (181-185):  13 - Conca (185), Cotchin (185), Helbig (185), Morris (185), Petterd (185), Williams# (185), A.Edwards** (184), Knights (184), Banfield# (183), Newman (183), S.Edwards (182), Ellis (181), Lloyd (181)

Smalls      (sub 180):  6 - Arnot (180), Houli (180), McDonough (179), Miles# (179), Foley (178 ), King (178 )

* - to be played as a tall mid
** - not really a mid

Weight (kg)

100+:   5 - Stephenson# (104), Hampson (102), Maric (102), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)

95-99:  2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)

90-94:  7 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), Grimes (91), Lennon (90)

85-89: 17 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Gordon (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Thomas# (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Lloyd (85), Petterd (85)

80-84: 12 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Banfield# (83), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)

sub80:  1 - Miles# (77)

[gerkin greg]

 

should sticky

[Judge Roughneck]

should sticky

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[Stripes]

Update post-all drafts:

* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.

Excellent analysis MT 

Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.

[the claw]

Update post-all drafts:

* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.

Excellent analysis MT 

Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.

what real need was there to bolster the 23 to 24 age bracket. i would have thought as long as you have enough players in the 23 thr 28 age bracket you have enough mature players. we dont have any 29 yr olds do we need to go and get a couple.

what tall mids ben lennon and then who. even lennon has some questions about his ability to become a permanent mid.
lloyd gordon are most certainly forwards who ccan hopefully rotate thru the middle.
as for the rookies banfield is more a forward as well. only thomas who comes with his knockers and miles who is a small can be classified as genuine mids to date.it may change but lets at least call a spade a spade and not gloss over things.

bloody hell since when did  batchelor, petterd, ohanlon, dea, lloyd houli morris newman king, s edwards, gordon , a edwards ,  and mcdonough become first and foremost mids. you could possibly add knights there as well.

as for weight bloody hell the entire list averaged 188cm/89kg in 2013 id bet the height has shrunk and the weight a much of a much. taking nothing but mature players you would haope these areas dont go backwards.

finally of course we will target talls next draft. having ignored em this time around id say we have little choice.  yet the need for genuine mids remains high.
about the only area we addressed was sml/med forwards we took them by the truck load.

as for ruckmen we cut a dead weight in derickx and replaced him with a bloke who has been nothing more than a battler to date thru his career. we sure as hell want to hope that changes.
we have atm jusrt 3 effective ruckmen maric hampson and stephenson. its pretty clear vickery is not a ruckman and will not anylonger be played as such. mcbean bloody hell if and i say if hes a ruckman hes 3 yrs away from the role. im happy to atm classify both as tall forwards thats the role they perform and until this changes or they show they can become good ruckmen its where i will logically place em.

to finish i say again as ive been saying for yrs the tall situation is dire the ruck situation almost as bad and we lack a minimum of 3 genuine mids if not more.

[yellowandback]

Just plonked myself in a beanbag in front if the tele, remote in one hand and the claws analysis of our list in the other. Tossed the remote away

[Judge Roughneck]

Just plonked myself in a beanbag in front if the tele, remote in one hand and the claws analysis of our list in the other. Tossed the remote away

Sir claw

[tigs2011]

Gordon was drafted as a midfielder. 

[the claw]

Gordon was drafted as a midfielder. 

you know i may even concede that point,,, but only when he shows at afl level he can perform the role. from what i can gather ATM hes more forward than mid.
its another thing most ignore when we draft someone when will we be able to say yep we took so and so because he does this role and he does it bloody well. hedge bets yep thats us.

[mightytiges]

Update post-all drafts:

* Club has bolstered the 23-24 age bracket with 3 additions. Previously only had 4 players (ie. only 4 players from the 2007-08 drafts combined).
* Club has clearly targeted more tall midfielders this recruiting period (3 additions).
* 85-89kg bracket is clearly now the dominate mode on our list (17 players); Miles is the only player under 80kg on our list.
* I would predict the Club will target KPPs in the 2014 trade/FA/drafts period. Next year's draft is meant to have a number of KPPs available at the top end.

Excellent analysis MT 

Really highlights why we made the 8 this year and why why should make it next. Based on age alone, the percentage of our squad sits in the 'prime' or under age so we should expect to see some fruitful times over the next few years.

what real need was there to bolster the 23 to 24 age bracket. i would have thought as long as you have enough players in the 23 thr 28 age bracket you have enough mature players. we dont have any 29 yr olds do we need to go and get a couple.

All fringe players but we delisted 5 from our "prime" bracket and have since brought in 5 to replace them. So it could argued the club is trying to maintain the same quota with our 23-28 year olds.

what tall mids ben lennon and then who. even lennon has some questions about his ability to become a permanent mid.
lloyd gordon are most certainly forwards who ccan hopefully rotate thru the middle.
as for the rookies banfield is more a forward as well. only thomas who comes with his knockers and miles who is a small can be classified as genuine mids to date.it may change but lets at least call a spade a spade and not gloss over things.

bloody hell since when did  batchelor, petterd, ohanlon, dea, lloyd houli morris newman king, s edwards, gordon , a edwards ,  and mcdonough become first and foremost mids. you could possibly add knights there as well.

My 'Mids' definition relates as much to mid-sized players which includes onballers, flankers, wingmen, utilities, etc ...

as for weight bloody hell the entire list averaged 188cm/89kg in 2013 id bet the height has shrunk and the weight a much of a much. taking nothing but mature players you would haope these areas dont go backwards.

It's probably not noticeable over the past year but there has been a definite shift towards bigger bodied mids since Dimma's first season in 2010.

finally of course we will target talls next draft. having ignored em this time around id say we have little choice.  yet the need for genuine mids remains high.
about the only area we addressed was sml/med forwards we took them by the truck load.

Our small and mid-sized forwards let us down regularly so I understand the Club targeting them over the offseason. You only have to revisit the Elim. Final to see the crop we had this year had no idea where to position themselves in relation to our tall forwards. Being dront and square is a foreign concept to them  . It can be argued that the Club has recruited so many in the quest to find a couple of decent small/mid-sized forwards out of the whole recruiting batch.

A Tiger-supporter caller to SEN on the weekend actually asked Rohan Connolly about this. Rohan reckons Dimma may be wanting to copy a Sydney-like forward line structure with two talls surrounded by marking mid-sized forwards with good footskills who know where the goals are (hence the drafting of Lennon).

as for ruckmen we cut a dead weight in derickx and replaced him with a bloke who has been nothing more than a battler to date thru his career. we sure as hell want to hope that changes.

Carlton arguably did worse. They've effectively swapped Hampson with Cam Wood .

we have atm jusrt 3 effective ruckmen maric hampson and stephenson. its pretty clear vickery is not a ruckman and will not anylonger be played as such. mcbean bloody hell if and i say if hes a ruckman hes 3 yrs away from the role. im happy to atm classify both as tall forwards thats the role they perform and until this changes or they show they can become good ruckmen its where i will logically place em.

to finish i say again as ive been saying for yrs the tall situation is dire the ruck situation almost as bad and we lack a minimum of 3 genuine mids if not more.

I agree that if Maric goes down for a lengthy period then our rucks stocks will be severely tested. None of the others have carried the majority of the ruckwork load for any significant length of time.

[Willy]

If any side's premier ruckman goes down their other rucks will be severely tested.

[tigs2011]

Gordon was drafted as a midfielder. 

you know i may even concede that point,,, but only when he shows at afl level he can perform the role. from what i can gather ATM hes more forward than mid.
its another thing most ignore when we draft someone when will we be able to say yep we took so and so because he does this role and he does it bloody well. hedge bets yep thats us.

How many players are drafted as purely midfielders these days? There's a reason we don't draft many. Unless they are absolute top notch quality then they are basically useless at AFL level. You need to be able to do more than 1 thing at the top level.

As for Gordon he started the year as a mid and racked up possessions then played forward and kicked goals through the middle of the season.

[tigs2011]

If any side's premier ruckman goes down their other rucks will be severely tested.

Who would have thought 

WC and Freo probably the 2 that would survive.

[Dice]

Weight (kg)

100+:   5 - Stephenson# (104), Hampson (102), Maric (102), Griffiths (100), Chaplin (100)

95-99:  2 - Darrou# (97), Vickery (95)

90-94:  7 - Astbury (93), Rance (93), Riewoldt (93), A.Edwards (92), Elton (92), Grimes (91), Lennon (90)

85-89: 17 - Deledio (88 ), Jackson (88 ), Arnot (87), Gordon (87), Knights (87), O'Hanlon (87), Thomas# (87), Batchelor (86), Martin (86), McBean (86), Williams# (86), Vlastuin (85), McIntosh (85), Dea (85), Grigg (85), Lloyd (85), Petterd (85)

80-84: 12 - Cotchin (84), Houli (84), Morris (84), Banfield# (83), Ellis (83), Helbig (83), Newman (83), McDonough (83), King (82), Foley (81), Conca (80), S.Edwards (80)

sub80:  1 - Miles# (77)

Where are you getting the data for these weights from ?
The HS had Lennon as being 79kgs when we drafted him. Doubt he's put on 11kgs in two weeks ? Not even Gerks after Xmas lunch can put on 11 kegs that quickly. RFC website has Lennon listed at 80kg
RFC website has Foley listed at 79kgs not 81 , Ellis at 81kg not 83  , Gordon at 83kg not 87 , Knights at 84kgs not 87.....and they're the only ones I checked.