But you said that when we recruited maric
did i when we recruited ivan what 15 months ago exactly what did i say. being such a long time ago perhaps you can refresh our memories.or better still conjure up a post or two.
for some reason the search function on Big Footy wont bring up your posts in the thread about ivan being recruited, but heres one.
1/ cmon doris maric is very much a now trade. he may be an improvement but surely hes not the long term.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ivan-maric-shaping-up-as-richmonds-hard-man.893009/#post-22906566
2/ and an admission that you critised him
ive criticised ivaan maric a fair bit
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/nab-cup-rd-1-v-hawthorn-v-north-melbourne-feb-17th-etihad-stadium-6-45pm.901824/page-11#post-23385686
3/ as with all your posts, you critised the club for his recruitment, and isnt that saying
i dunno it just seems we are going about our rucks in the wrong way again.
even if your only critisim was we should not have given up pick 35 for him? ( which was not your only critisim of him, you were of the belief that what he had shown so far was pretty much what you would get in the future.)
4/ The funny thing is that you somehow conjure up the notion that getting stephenson as a rookie means the that the club thinks derrickx will not make it, yet have you not called for more rucks to be on the list?
oh deary me you really are grasping at straws. ive taken the liberty to number each point.
1/ the major criticism i had of us taking maric was pick 35. it goes without saying based on what he had done to that point i didnt think him worth pick 35.of course there was criticisms of him what did you expect.
i will say again i wasnt against getting him or any other mature ruckman, but where we got him. reckon i argued long and hard the need for both experienced and junior ruckmen. scott lycett is one i lamented. i wanted us to take sam jacobs in 09 when he was just put on carltons rookie list. go look on pre you will find that in their search engine somewhere.
geez i even think i got it wrong on just what ivan could bring to the table, which i have previously acknowledged, but hey how many would have predicted the yr he had based on his previous 7 seasons.they were average at best.
after 7 yrs and age 26 of course i doubted he could improve. not a lot of players dramatically improve after that amount of time.
based on his age and form i certainly did not see him as a long term prospect either. pretty reasonable argument at the time i reckon.
ya know its pretty easy and gutless to willy nilly bring up singular posts with out the due context.
2/ yep i criticised ivan. why wouldnt i? he was no world beater until last yr. reckon there were a fair few others who criticised his adelaide yrs. but we cant be criticising our players or future recruits now can we. you think ivans 7yrs before he came to us perfect.unbelievable.
3/ wrong again i criticised the club for useing pick 35 and as i have stated i have basically admited they got it right and ivan has been a steal i have strongly voiced the opinion that we need ivans long term replacement and a mature player in case he gets hurt. i dont proclaim to get all things right.out side of ivan i reckon they deserve a lot of criticism in this area.
4/ nothing funny about it at all. just a bit of logic. if the club were confident derickx could fill in if maric got hurt why in hell go out and get a 31 yr old surely a 21 24 yo would have been the go.id say they have their doubts and they should. at age 25 what has he done to date. andrw browne and graham have done more and we cut em. of course ive called for more rucks ive called for them just about every yr for many yrs. thats because in the main we dont ever do enough. i even think orren is a now a must after the way we went about it. do i think we shoulkd have done it different you bet ya.
ive already suggested maric martin hannath derickx and mcbean id even be looking to rookie another cameron symonds is one ive mentioned. instead of maric stephenson derickx and mcbean.
i dont think mcbean a ruckman and as such next yr would definately be looking to take another kid somewhere at the very least.
if you have no doubts about tom great and good for you. thats what we have always done in this area sort of hope instead of making sure theres someone else in the system just in case.
how many young ruckmen have we bought thru at richmond in the last 10 or 15 yrs.
i know lets not have any criticism at all lets all put our collective heads up our arses and pretend we are the best.
ffs jacksons had 8 yrs and cameron 6 and we are yet to make the 8 under them its as if they should be immune from criticism. i know for sure we can do better than these two. their records are not good.
its funny these two have had so long and are almost immune yet hardwick has had 3 yrs and is in the gun according to most i listen to.
i stand by every thing you have bought up and i have acknowledged i got it wrong on maric a fair while ago. i firmly believe ivans replacement should be in our system right now im asking is he i dont think so.
you know what if exactly the same scenario arose again and we were to give up a second rnd pick for a 7 yr player who had struggled and was regularly overtaken by other players id damn well be criticising them again.
from here on in im going to be bringing up old posts so watch what you say and make sure you are clear on your context. its a pain in the arse continually having to defend your point of view which is consistent.
as i said your grasping at straws as usual.