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Cotchin believes Tigers have matured

By Matt Thompson
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Saturday, February 2, 2013


RICHMOND has spent plenty of time this off-season working to avoid another rollercoaster year.

It's an area that needed attention, where on the one hand the Tigers could match it with eventual grand finalists Sydney and Hawthorn only to be beaten by a lowly ranked team like Gold Coast.

New captain Trent Cotchin has told AFL.com.au the players think they're past it.

"It's probably a little bit of maturity in one sense, but also the situational stuff so just moments in games where we drop a simple mark that we'd normally take," Cotchin said.

"When they do arise in a game this season hopefully we know exactly what's required from each individual and you've got to play your role in that case."

The most famous incident of 2012 was code-switcher Karmichael Hunt's after-the-siren goal securing Gold Coast victory after a calamitous five minutes from the Tigers.

"We know what's required. Last year we had a lot of games where we just let ourselves down for a small amount of time," Cotchin said. 

"We beat both the grand final contenders, so our best footy is up there with the rest of them, it's just making sure we bridge that gap between our worst footy."

Cotchin is relishing his increased responsibilities, and said he'll continue to work closely with former skipper Chris Newman. 

"I don't think too much changes, obviously there's that little bit more added pressure game day, and then you've got to make decisions each and every day around the club," he said.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-02-02/tigers-off-the-rollercoaster
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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2013, 01:58:38 PM »
"New captain Trent Cotchin has told AFL.com.au the players think they're past it."

THINK?? They bloody better be!!
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“We are really excited about what we have brought in. We have got great depth of players that can take us where we need to go. We are just putting some cream on the top at the moment,” he said.

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2013, 02:05:07 PM »
First Rule of Tigers club......
Trench Cotchin MUST be on the field if the game is close with 2 minutes to go!

Second Rule of Tigers club......
Trench Cotchin MUST be on the field if the game is close with 2 minutes to go!


.....his name is "Trent Cotchin"
The club that keeps giving.

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2013, 02:08:25 PM »

"It's probably a little bit of maturity in one sense, but also the situational stuff so just moments in games where we drop a simple mark that we'd normally take," Cotchin said.



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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2013, 05:43:40 PM »
i heard the coaches are currently addressing the fade out period in games.
Does this mean an admission of an inability to coach in the last 7 minutes of the final quarter?

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2013, 06:24:51 PM »
i heard the coaches are currently addressing the fade out period in games.
Does this mean an admission of an inability to coach in the last 7 minutes of the final quarter?

What garbage..  When it comes to the last minutes of close games its up to the players ..  Cotchin is correct its maturity, most clubs on the rise over the years have a year where by they lose some close games due to lack of experience.

The time when Cotchin was off the ground in the last minutes showed 'his' lack of maturity.  Next time he won't come off..

Hardwick is going ok and has great support. I think we have a gem of a coaching team


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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2013, 07:29:01 PM »
i heard the coaches are currently addressing the fade out period in games.
Does this mean an admission of an inability to coach in the last 7 minutes of the final quarter?

What garbage..  When it comes to the last minutes of close games its up to the players .. 

In a granny maybe. We've lost too many close ones for it to be all the players fault

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2013, 08:55:51 PM »
i heard the coaches are currently addressing the fade out period in games.
Does this mean an admission of an inability to coach in the last 7 minutes of the final quarter?

What garbage..  When it comes to the last minutes of close games its up to the players .. 

In a granny maybe. We've lost too many close ones for it to be all the players fault

IMO i thought it was bad decision making by players..  i dont believe there is much coaching, albeit put extra players back, that can be done.  Cotchin being off the ground wasnt a coaching move, it was a routine rotation and with hindsight im sure he wont proceed with the rotation next time..

GC was a stuff up, and we should never have been that close, late in the game. We missed shots all day. GC won it with exhuberance IMO.

Carlton we lost by making bad decisions at a vital time and then a fluke goal by Carlton.

Fremantle was just a very good game and could have gone either way.  i thought they wanted it more.  Especially the game in the rain

Nth Melb , i thought was a good game by both teams again could have gone either way

Geelong we had 1 good qtr and almost pinched it.  We panicked in the last qtr and Bartel slaughtered us

And against Adelaide we played 1 good qtr. They were a better team for the other 3


So IMO although we could have won those games, there were reasons we lost not just as you say bad coaching..

Looking forward to hear what coaching differences you would have made.

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2013, 09:05:54 PM »
one thing i want to add though is i think we have more game structure and we are getting coached by far the best since Hafey..

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2013, 09:48:49 PM »
Cotchin being on/off the field should not have mattered when we are 2 goals up with 25 seconds left and we have possession. If Cotchin misses a game I might as well just stay home of that's the case.

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2013, 10:16:25 PM »
Cotchin being on/off the field should not have mattered when we are 2 goals up with 25 seconds left and we have possession. If Cotchin misses a game I might as well just stay home of that's the case.

very true, but it was mentioned by MrTiga, and iirc it was brought up by the journos at the time who made a point of asking why was Cotchin on the bench at that stahe of the game

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Re: Cotchin believes Tigers have matured ........ (afl site)
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2013, 11:08:52 PM »
i heard the coaches are currently addressing the fade out period in games.
Does this mean an admission of an inability to coach in the last 7 minutes of the final quarter?

What garbage..  When it comes to the last minutes of close games its up to the players .. 

In a granny maybe. We've lost too many close ones for it to be all the players fault

IMO i thought it was bad decision making by players..  i dont believe there is much coaching, albeit put extra players back, that can be done.  Cotchin being off the ground wasnt a coaching move, it was a routine rotation and with hindsight im sure he wont proceed with the rotation next time..

GC was a stuff up, and we should never have been that close, late in the game. We missed shots all day. GC won it with exhuberance IMO.

Carlton we lost by making bad decisions at a vital time and then a fluke goal by Carlton.

Fremantle was just a very good game and could have gone either way.  i thought they wanted it more.  Especially the game in the rain

Nth Melb , i thought was a good game by both teams again could have gone either way

Geelong we had 1 good qtr and almost pinched it.  We panicked in the last qtr and Bartel slaughtered us

And against Adelaide we played 1 good qtr. They were a better team for the other 3


So IMO although we could have won those games, there were reasons we lost not just as you say bad coaching..

Looking forward to hear what coaching differences you would have made.

I didn't say we lost those games due to bad coaching. Nice list of excuses though. A quality coach would have done something different in that North game. Not saying Dimma won't be a quality coach but he's proved nothing yet. Hasn't even had a season close to winning more games than not. Terry coached in prelims, Spud is the most successful coach we've had in 25 years and apparently they were worthless duds and Hardwick is a great coach. Dimma will leave our list in a better spot than those two did but I'm not concerned about our list. Dimma has done a good job with our list but I'll start talking him up once he's won at least two finals. What I want is great match day coaching. Start by changing up the forward line every once and a while because some of our games last year were a disgrace when it came to our forward half. 4th year this year, it'd be a good time to start playing finals

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Tigers can end their 12-year finals drought: Cotchin (Age)
« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2013, 05:00:01 AM »
Tigers can end their 12-year finals drought: Cotchin

    Jon Pierik
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    February 3, 2013


RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin says it's time for the Tigers to take their game to the ''next level'' as they aim for their first finals series in a dozen years.

Not since 2001 when Danny Frawley was coach, Wayne Campbell was captain and Brendon Gale, now the club's chief executive officer, was the front-line ruckman, have the Tigers featured in September.

Since their last premiership in 1980, the Tigers have played in just eight finals, 17 fewer than any Victorian rival.

Champion Data points out that even Fitzroy, which closed its doors in 1996, played eight finals after 1980.

Now into their fourth season under coach Damien Hardwick, the Tigers know it's time to reward their faithful and provide president Gary March with the ideal send-off in what shapes as his final year.

''We know it's a reality - we haven't played finals for over 10 years,'' Cotchin, preparing for his first season in charge, said.

''We are absolutely giving it our all on the track at the moment. We are looking forward to getting into games to see where we are really at.''

The Tigers missed the top eight by more than three games last season but, along with Geelong, were the only clubs to beat both grand finalists, Hawthorn and Sydney.

That showed the talent is there but consistency remains an issue, exemplified by the stinging loss to the Gold Coast Suns in Cairns.

Outside of the Suns and Greater Western Sydney, the Tigers had the youngest team last season.

Cotchin hopes another strong pre-season will lift overall performance.

''You only have to look at some of our young guys and how they apply themselves on and off the field. We have really good character down at the club, which helps drive the culture we are trying to create,'' he said.

''That gives us really good faith in making sure that we do develop this year. Obviously, there were times in games where we did lack that maturity and experience but hopefully we can iron those out and make sure they are winning games rather than losing by a couple of points or so.''

Just one of the Tigers' 11 losses was by more than 22 points, highlighting their ability to remain in the contest but ultimately struggle when the pressure was at its fiercest.

Cotchin said the Tigers had worked over summer on what to do in tight situations.

''We learnt a lot about competing but we need to take it to the next level now and start winning those games we have been competitive in,'' he said.

''There were probably three or four games where we made pretty poor decisions at crucial times in games with a minute or two to go. That's going to come with maturity.

''Training those situations in games - we have done a lot of that over the pre-season so, hopefully, when they do confront us in games we know exactly what is required.''

Another area of examination has been the ball use near goal.

The Tigers managed a goal only 25 per cent of the time when inside 50 - ranked 12th - while their accuracy was also poor. This wasted the good work of their midfield, anchored by the silky Cotchin, who ensured that, on average, the game was played in their attacking half.

''We have spoken a lot about our composure going inside 50 and making sure we are kicking to our target areas and so forth,'' Cotchin said.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-can-end-their-12year-finals-drought-cotchin-20130202-2drhs.html#ixzz2JlXjYjMA

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Everyone was to blame for GC, coaches had to do something earlier about the Petrie match in final qtr, Carlton were too good, Carlton was player error, Crows game was inability of players and coach to slow that game down - how can you dominate for 1 qtr and give up that momentum completely?
I think the coaching could definitely improve but what we have is the golden rule of coaching - players playing for the coach.
You can work with that, even if the coach is limited - John Northey
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"I discussed (it) with my three daughters, my wife and my 82-year-old mum, because it has really affected me … If those comments … were made about one of my daughters, it would make the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. I would not have liked it at all.”