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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3090 on: October 10, 2014, 08:43:55 AM »
Why is it past tense?

Every OK now is it paddy?
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« Reply #3091 on: October 10, 2014, 09:55:47 AM »
Why isn't past tense?

Every OK now is it paddy?

Doc Reid said all ok, so must be

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3092 on: October 10, 2014, 10:07:14 AM »
"I'd trust my kids with him !"


.... Even if they turn out deformed

#ehateverittakes/standbyhird


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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3094 on: October 13, 2014, 01:19:07 PM »
Essendon doping saga: ASADA accusations now turn to Shanghai factory

Carly Crawford
Herald-Sun
October 13, 2014


THE case against 34 AFL players accused of doping ­offences — to be presented within days — is expected to focus on a banned drug sourced from a factory in Shanghai, China.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority case is likely to allege that Thymosin beta-4 from Chinese chemical maker GL Biochem (Shanghai) Pty Ltd was ­administered to the current and former Essendon players.

Text messages, emails, ­invoices and testimony from a range of witnesses are among key pieces of evidence gathered during the 16-month ASADA probe.

Amended show-cause not­ices issued to players are tipped to run to more than 50 pages and will be tailored to each recipient.

Previously, they have been more general and did not contain details of the alleged case against the players.

It is believed ASADA ­decided to pursue anti-doping charges against the Bombers after independent reviews of their case backed the move ­because the evidence was deemed to satisfy the standard of proof in anti-doping cases.

This standard, known as “comfortable satisfaction”, is lower than the “beyond reasonable doubt” standard applied in criminal cases.

The players this week expect to be given their first ­official glimpse of the evidence that threatens to condemn them as drug cheats.

ASADA will provide ­details of the case against the players alongside amended show-cause notices, which are to be reissued after the Federal Court threw out Essendon’s bid to have the ASADA probe declared unlawful.

ASADA had agreed to halt the doping violation process while court proceedings were under way.

ASADA alleges the 34 players were unwittingly given the banned drug Thymosin beta-4 during the 2012 season. Essendon strongly denies this, claiming a different, permitted type of Thymosin was used at the club.

ASADA has spoken with the anti-ageing clinician and pharmacist allegedly involved in the supply of the substance to Essendon.

They also have text messages in which the Bombers’ former sports scientist ­Stephen Dank describes the effects of a “Thymosin”, which the AFL has argued could only be achieved from the banned form.

ASADA also engaged consulting firm Deloitte to conduct a forensic analysis of the computer and mobile phone of one key witness.

The Herald Sun revealed in May that ASADA would pursue Bombers players over ­allegations they used TB4, which is often used to improve racehorse performance.

The agency’s key witness is Shane Charter, who has run anti-ageing clinics.

He alleges that sports scientist Stephen Dank asked him to source Thymosin beta-4 in quantities sufficient to treat a football squad.

At no time did Dank ask him to source any other type of Thymosin, he claims. Charter alleges the Thymosin beta-4 was delivered to pharmacist Nima Alavi, of Como Compounding, for collection by Dank.

Investigators have checked his claims with Customs.

Alavi, who initially refused to help ASADA citing legal advice, eventually gave investigators evidence alleging the substance sourced by Charter arrived at his pharmacy marked simply as “Thymosin” and that Dank took it from him to be tested at a Melbourne lab.

He claims Dank later told him the chemicals were no good and that they had been destroyed at the lab.

That lab, Mimotopes, reportedly has no record of receiving or destroying peptides from Dank in early 2012.

Dank, who is believed to dispute Alavi’s version, has not spoken with ASADA but has maintained he never gave players the banned form of the drug.

During its probe, ASADA took advice from respected former Australian Federal Police chief Mick Palmer and retired judge Garry Downes. It is believed these reviews reminded investigators, many of whom come from law enforcement backgrounds, that the standard of proof is lower in anti-doping cases than it is in a criminal case.

Before his retirement in 2012, Downes was president of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, which is the forum where any appeal against a doping violation would be heard.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-doping-saga-asada-accusations-now-turn-to-shanghai-factory/story-fndv7pj3-1227088199608

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« Reply #3095 on: October 13, 2014, 02:04:01 PM »
ban 2 years and put them out of business. Watson should give back his brownlow medal.

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« Reply #3096 on: October 13, 2014, 02:26:35 PM »
#TassieFC
#CongratsSam&Trent

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« Reply #3097 on: October 13, 2014, 05:15:56 PM »
Just waiting for the SC notices to land & stick on, deals to be done & bans enforced (however light & contrived) ... then we can demand Cotchin's Brownlow!    :gotigers  :gotigers
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« Reply #3098 on: October 16, 2014, 12:28:41 AM »
Some filler from Caro, just to keep us going until the show cause notices are served in the next day or two...

Mark Thompson may not coach after all

In what seemed like the first real sign that he would shut the door on his AFL coaching career, Mark Thompson in August quit the coaches' association.

It appeared a fit of pique given that Thompson had refused to give up the $5000 in career development he believed was his right to help the cash-strapped association. Every other senior coach had agreed to sacrifice the money but Thompson repeatedly refused.

Eventually, he emailed all the coaches and their nominal governing body and said he was out of the AFLCA. Just as he had indicated earlier this year he would not pay the $30,000 AFL fine for his governance failures at Essendon – which remains due at the end of the month –  Thompson signalled his total disregard for the attempt to rein him in.

There remains a clear possibility Thompson will not be involved in the AFL next year, having closed a number of doors and left some suitors deeply concerned regarding his day-to-day ability to manage a large group of young men and present as the face of his football club.

But at least one door remains partially open to him.

The next act in Thompson's on-again-off-again love affair with AFL coaching will start in a matter of days when the out-of-contract "Bomber" returns from overseas and sits down with Essendon bosses so that both parties can work out where each other is "at". Where things stand this week, the answer on both sides remains unclear.

Thompson flew out of Australia two weeks ago, just hours after publicly declaring his wish to coach the Bombers. But Essendon has another senior coach –  at least for "the immediate term".

The erratic nature of Thompson's behaviour became more unpredictable in the days leading up to his departure when even those Essendon directors backing him to officially replace James Hird suffered from cold feet.

The Gold Coast, having stated it wanted to interview Thompson, withdrew from that stance – although it remains uncertain whether Thompson, in any event, would have been prepared to put himself through an interview process. Either way the fledgling Suns also went cold on Thompson.

Although it would not be the first time the two-time Geelong premiership coach changed his mind – he declared the job this year was for one year only and previously twice performed a radical change of heart about doing it in the first place – it seems certain he would not consider coaching the Western Bulldogs. For the same reason he declared no interest in Adelaide. Both Brenton Sanderson and Brendan McCartney have been close colleagues of Thompson and McCartney, like Sanderson, sees him as a mentor and friend.

Which leaves Essendon.

Clearly Hird, even in the view of his supporters, is barely hanging on to the senior job, which he retained following a series of legal threats after the Bombers' board botched its attempt to sack him.

The Hird view is that Thompson betrayed him at the Crichton Medal count by applying for his job just hours after – according to Hird – Thompson said he supported his decision to appeal the Federal Court decision against him.

The following day a dishevelled-looking Thompson said before departing Melbourne that he had "no idea" whether Hird would be back at the club.

Even despite the fall-out with Hird, Thompson's vocal supporter, Tim Watson, has stated recently that his former teammate needs the senior job to be at his best. Clearly, he was unable to truly succeed in the role as Hird's mentor.

Essendon remains in talks with another former favourite son, Mark Harvey, for a coaching role and the prevailing view is that Harvey and Thompson could work together.

Club CEO Xavier Campbell would not guarantee any outcome or plan on Wednesday when contacted by Fairfax Media. "We will be speaking to him [Thompson] when he returns from overseas in the next few days," Campbell said. "No decisions have been made about anything and we hope to sit down and discuss what the future looks like shortly."

Not untypically of the club at present, the senior players appear divided over Thompson and whether he should return as senior coach. His performance at the best-and-fairest rattled a number of on and off-field power-brokers –none of whom doubt his coaching ability, but many of whom question whether he is stable enough to maintain the role.

In the words of one of his key players at Geelong: You never knew which Bomber you were going to get from one day to the next. Particularly during his final year with the Cats, which ended in a dreadful fashion with trust between coach and club devastatingly eroded.

Essendon is understood to have attempted to contact Thompson during his holiday but communication was difficult, particularly while the 2014 senior coach was travelling in Mexico. Given Essendon's current state of limbo this was perhaps not a bad thing.

Should the shake-up some Essendon supporters know must take place for the club to rebuild from the wreckage of its own creation happen, then Hird will only be one of a number of casualties.

There seems little doubt Thompson believed Hird gone when he declared his passion to coach on Crichton Medal night. There also seemed little doubt he had no interest in returning in a lesser role as an assistant or coaching director.

But then Thompson has made an art-form of saying one thing and doing another. His behaviour may have increasingly become a source of alarm for the football community but he remains an industry leader as a match-day coach.

A coach crying out for a football boss – and a club – strong enough to support and harness him.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/mark-thompson-may-not-coach-after-all-20141015-116l9p.html

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Re: Essendon face AFL probe
« Reply #3099 on: October 16, 2014, 12:34:05 AM »
Who gives a crap? Bomber himself has a lot of questions surrounding his role in this scandal which so far have barely been asked..

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« Reply #3100 on: October 16, 2014, 12:38:17 AM »
True, for some reason he seems to have come out of this squeaky clean when it has him that has the history with 'the weapon'.
There'll be a few more questions asked if he doesn't pay his $30,000 fine by the end of the month!

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« Reply #3101 on: October 16, 2014, 12:58:11 AM »
I wouldn't pay any fines if I was in the afl either.

stuff em
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« Reply #3102 on: October 16, 2014, 06:55:16 PM »
Thompson's behaviour has been described by many that know him as scatty. Clubs are more than aware of this.
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« Reply #3103 on: October 17, 2014, 10:02:13 AM »
Our legal advice is we would of defeated paddy Ryder in court

Delusional fwits

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« Reply #3104 on: October 17, 2014, 12:28:08 PM »
Essendon 34 to see evidence from ASADA, show-cause notices to be reissued

Grant Baker
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October 17, 2014


THE 34 current and former Essendon players facing doping charges will finally see the evidence against them, with reissued show-cause notices expected to arrive on Friday.

The original notices were sent in June and contained the allegation the players had used the banned peptide Thymosin beta-4, but no supporting evidence.

That move prompted Essendon to take unsuccessful Federal Court action against the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority.

Although Essendon’s coach James Hird is continuing his legal battle against ASADA, the anti-doping agency confirmed this week it would “fast-track” its prosecution of the players and would include “individually tailored” evidence in the new notices.

Should the evidence be as expected — a circumstantial case that the players were injected with the supplement sourced from China — the players will likely waive their right to meaningfully answer the notices.

Instead, they could ask that they be put on the Register of Findings, the trigger for infraction notices, as soon as possible so the case returns to the AFL’s jurisdiction.

Should AFL general counsel Andrew Dillon conclude the evidence stacked up, he would issue doping charges and set the date for an AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal, to be chaired by David Grace, QC.

A three-person panel would be rounded out by a lawyer and medical doctor who both have experience in the anti-doping sphere.

If the evidence against the players is similar, they would likely request a single “representative” case be heard, with the league, ASADA and the players to all have lawyers on hand.

After seeing the evidence, it is also open to the players to negotiate Cronulla-style deals with ASADA over penalties — but it is understood any deal must involve an admission of guilt and suspension for AFL matches in 2015.

If they are found guilty by the tribunal, they would plead mitigating circumstances — that they were effectively duped into taking a banned supplement — and could still have their bans reduced to six months.

The players’ situation and Hird’s appeal before the full Federal Court to have ASADA’s joint investigation into the Bombers with the AFL ruled unlawful is expected to draw challengers to Paul Little’s board.

Hird’s case has been set for a one-day trial on November 10.

Little will face members at the club’s annual general meeting on December 15, with two spots on the board up for election prior to that.

The club quizzed members on the doping saga in a recent survey.

Members were asked “how are you feeling about your membership in light of the way the club has handled elements of the ongoing ASADA investigation?”

It has also asked members whether their feelings had changed “with regard to the club in general, senior officials and the players”.

Members were also given a say on their level of satisfaction with the administration of the club, the functioning of the club board and the financial position of the club.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-34-to-see-evidence-from-asada-showcause-notices-to-be-reissued/story-fndv8gad-1227092902429