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Quote from: Owl on April 13, 2013, 03:19:05 PMQuote from: Smokey on April 13, 2013, 12:39:16 PMQuote from: Yeahright on April 13, 2013, 12:07:36 PMPossibly fitter but no chance he is faster and saying his solely a defender? He played in the middle at times and is a HBF, these days they get just about as much ball as midfielders. Proves just there you're playing favouritesYep, he's faster. Was beating White in the time trials all summer.Yep, solely as a defender. Went through the midfield at times in his role as a linkman but played off the halfback line. And whether defenders get as much ball as midfielders nowadays is irrelevant to the argument of comparing White to Ellis. Houli can get more possessions than Tuck but you can't compare them because they play in different field positions with different roles - same for White and Ellis. Houli plays a very similar role to Ellis - do you think he should be compared to White?Time trials are 3 to 5 km's though smokey, White has got some serious toe for burst speed and would leave most in his dust in a sprint. Yeah, I know. I was being a bit cheeky with the faster bit!
Quote from: Smokey on April 13, 2013, 12:39:16 PMQuote from: Yeahright on April 13, 2013, 12:07:36 PMPossibly fitter but no chance he is faster and saying his solely a defender? He played in the middle at times and is a HBF, these days they get just about as much ball as midfielders. Proves just there you're playing favouritesYep, he's faster. Was beating White in the time trials all summer.Yep, solely as a defender. Went through the midfield at times in his role as a linkman but played off the halfback line. And whether defenders get as much ball as midfielders nowadays is irrelevant to the argument of comparing White to Ellis. Houli can get more possessions than Tuck but you can't compare them because they play in different field positions with different roles - same for White and Ellis. Houli plays a very similar role to Ellis - do you think he should be compared to White?Time trials are 3 to 5 km's though smokey, White has got some serious toe for burst speed and would leave most in his dust in a sprint.
Quote from: Yeahright on April 13, 2013, 12:07:36 PMPossibly fitter but no chance he is faster and saying his solely a defender? He played in the middle at times and is a HBF, these days they get just about as much ball as midfielders. Proves just there you're playing favouritesYep, he's faster. Was beating White in the time trials all summer.Yep, solely as a defender. Went through the midfield at times in his role as a linkman but played off the halfback line. And whether defenders get as much ball as midfielders nowadays is irrelevant to the argument of comparing White to Ellis. Houli can get more possessions than Tuck but you can't compare them because they play in different field positions with different roles - same for White and Ellis. Houli plays a very similar role to Ellis - do you think he should be compared to White?
Possibly fitter but no chance he is faster and saying his solely a defender? He played in the middle at times and is a HBF, these days they get just about as much ball as midfielders. Proves just there you're playing favourites
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Quote from: WA Tiger on April 13, 2013, 11:56:21 AMIf Ellis goes out Val, Knights or White could play his role, all the same.Rubbish. Knights is a mid/forward - an upgrade on White and plays (has always played) a diametrically opposed role to the one Ellis has played so far in his career. Vlastuin has never played a game of senior AFL. When Vlastuin makes his debut I'm sure he will be put in a similar role to that of Ellis and Conca before him - developing the next generation of mids by teaching them defence and accountability first. But again, how the hell can you realistically and honestly compare Ellis to a mid/forward or a rookie? If you want to make a comparison then at least be fair to Ellis and wait until he is pushed upfield so you are at least in the ballpark of comparing apples to apples. Talk about hanging a kid without a fair trial!!
If Ellis goes out Val, Knights or White could play his role, all the same.
Probably explains why he didn't have any impact either, seeing that he has been playing a completely different role thus far in his career.
So what! Should be able to play where they put him, point is he is in the same boat as Knights, Val and White! He will be out next week.
Quote from: Smokey on April 15, 2013, 11:04:44 AMProbably explains why he didn't have any impact either, seeing that he has been playing a completely different role thus far in his career. "If Ellis goes out Val, Knights or White could play his role, all the same."Turns out Knights couldn't play Ellis' role and vice versa. Thats all. Pretty much what I said and you keep trying to deny and divert.QuoteSo what! Should be able to play where they put him, point is he is in the same boat as Knights, Val and White! He will be out next week. So based on that premise Maric should be able to play full back and Jack should be able to rove? What a load of claptrap! And yes, I would expect Ellis to be dropped next week because 2 weeks in a row as sub should be the max for any player, but I reckon Knights should hold his spot because I don't think there is a match up for Batchelor again this week. Vlas might get a green jacket.
Quote from: Smokey on April 15, 2013, 11:23:47 AMQuote from: Smokey on April 15, 2013, 11:04:44 AMProbably explains why he didn't have any impact either, seeing that he has been playing a completely different role thus far in his career. "If Ellis goes out Val, Knights or White could play his role, all the same."Turns out Knights couldn't play Ellis' role and vice versa. Thats all. Pretty much what I said and you keep trying to deny and divert.QuoteSo what! Should be able to play where they put him, point is he is in the same boat as Knights, Val and White! He will be out next week. So based on that premise Maric should be able to play full back and Jack should be able to rove? What a load of claptrap! And yes, I would expect Ellis to be dropped next week because 2 weeks in a row as sub should be the max for any player, but I reckon Knights should hold his spot because I don't think there is a match up for Batchelor again this week. Vlas might get a green jacket.Although I get your point I think Jack could make a good rover