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Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« on: November 21, 2013, 11:19:38 PM »
Richmond bolsters attack with Ben Lennon, Nathan Gordon and Sam Lloyd in national draft

    Jon Ralph
    From: Herald Sun
    November 21, 2013 10:24PM


RICHMOND devoted an entire draft to bolstering its attacking arsenal, recruiting a top-12 draft pick, an SANFL goalsneak and a bush legend.

The Tigers unashamedly focused on their forward half, thrilled that Northern Knights mid-sized forward Ben Lennon was still available at selection 12.

He had spent a week with the Tigers in February as part of the AFL-AIS program and both parties fell in love with each other.

But it was the club's last two picks that showed that while it overlooked Geelong's Paul Chapman, Richmond was desperate for more goalscoring power.

At pick 50 the Tigers gave North Adelaide's Nathan Gordon another chance after he played two games for Sydney and was an emergency nine times in 2012 before being dumped six days after the Grand Final.

Ben Lennon will hope his razor sharp right boot will be the difference over his fellow AFL hopefuls at this year's National Draft.

The 23-year-old is a clever half-forward who kicked 33 goals in the SANFL, with fellow 23-year-old Sam Lloyd another goalkicker lured to Punt Road with selection 66.

His journey is epic - 100 goals as a bush full forward with Deniliquin, suburban footy with Mount Eliza, a handful of VFL games with the Bendigo Gold, then VFL with Frankston this year.

Richmond recruiting boss Francis Jackson said there was real opportunity for all of the three forwards to make their mark after the club used its second pick to trade for Carlton ruckman Shaun Hampson.

"There is definitely opportunity for them and they are physically ready to go. Nathan played a full year of SANFL footy and had a really strong finals series. He is good with his contested footy and a goalkicker," he said.

"In our rankings (Lennon) was clearly the next-ranked player at 12. He spent his AIS week with us and it really gives you an insight into how the kids fit in. We gave him feedback on a few things and it was really pleasing to see him address those things.

"Sam kicked a lot of VFL goals this year and he is an old-fashioned really clever read-the-play forward. He can crumb, he played for Vic Metro in the VFL game and kicked four goals over there, and he has made a concerted effort to improve his running capacity."

Lennon is an exceptional overhead mark for his size, with the All-Australian also benefiting from sizzling foot skills on both sides of his body.

After recruiting hard-bodied midfielders Dustin Martin, Nick Vlastuin, Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis in recent years, the 188cm, 77kg forward is the perfect player to round out Richmond's list.

"I am ecstatic. All through the year I really wanted to get to Richmond after being at the club for a week in February, so it's really good. It was up the air, I thought pick 10 at Collingwood was a strong chance, but to get my name called out at Richmond, I am over the moon," Lennon said.

"I play a unique position and I have to work really hard to give myself a chance, and I am sure I can do that."

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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2013, 11:34:06 PM »
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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2013, 11:36:29 PM »
Where are the mids?

Recruit mids...our forward line is poo  :shh

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2013, 11:54:17 PM »
we took med /sml sized forwards but did nothing to ease the tall forward problems we have. but hey most dont think we have tall forward probs.

so where do we now stand with sml/med forwards.

king 178/82 100gms 30yo.  sml for.
a edwards 184/93 90gms 30yo. med for.
s edwards 181/83 120gms 25yo. sml for/mid.
knights 184/84 100gms 27yo med mid/for.
mcdonough 180/84, 0 gms 20yo sml for/mid
ohanlon 189/89, 8 gms, 20yo med for.
petterd 185/85, 70gms, 25yo med for/def
lennon  187/79, 0 gms, 18yo med for/utility
gordon 186/86, 0 gms, 24yo med for/mid.
lloyd 180/83, 0 gms, 24yo sml for.

just gotta question how many do we need. thats a 1/4 of the list taken up on sml/med forwards. yes some can rotate thru the midfield.


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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2013, 11:57:06 PM »
we dont have tall forward problems

#1 reiwoldt
#2 vickery
#3 mcbean / griffiths


in reserve: Elton, Astbury, Maric, Hampson, O'Hanlon, Aaron Edwards - its not perfect buts its not the major deficiency IMO.

Lennon is a class player according to the Richmond draft rankings - can kick and has good size. I dont think its a bad choice on the basis we have suffice small/mid forward. Ramps below sums it up well.

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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2013, 11:57:12 PM »
we took med /sml sized forwards but did nothing to ease the tall forward problems we have. but hey most dont think we have tall forward probs.

so where do we now stand with sml/med forwards.

king 178/82 100gms 30yo.  sml for.
a edwards 184/93 90gms 30yo. med for.
s edwards 181/83 120gms 25yo. sml for/mid.
knights 184/84 100gms 27yo med mid/for.
mcdonough 180/84, 0 gms 20yo sml for/mid
ohanlon 189/89, 8 gms, 20yo med for.
petterd 185/85, 70gms, 25yo med for/def
lennon  187/79, 0 gms, 18yo med for/utility
gordon 186/86, 0 gms, 24yo med for/mid.
lloyd 180/83, 0 gms, 24yo sml for.

just gotta question how many do we need. thats a 1/4 of the list taken up on sml/med forwards. yes some can rotate thru the midfield.

King has only got 1 maybe 2 years left. A.Edwards the same 1 year maybe 2 at a maximum. McDonough I have doubts will make it. O'hanlon hasnt come on and if he doesnt improve he'll be gone in 12 months. Petterd well his just depth.  Gordon and Lloyd are low draft picks lucky if one of the two makes it. Its not a great result.

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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2013, 12:19:35 AM »
we dont have tall forward problems

#1 reiwoldt
#2 vickery
#3 mcbean / griffiths


in reserve: Elton, Astbury, Maric, Hampson, O'Hanlon, Aaron Edwards - its not perfect buts its not the major deficiency IMO.

Lennon is a class player according to the Richmond draft rankings - can kick and has good size. I dont think its a bad choice on the basis we have suffice small/mid forward. Ramps below sums it up well.
until just a month ago vickery was our future #1 ruckman lol hes as soft as butter and done nothing to warrant the hype as a forward. one more poor yr next yr and all and sundry will be baying for his blood.

. griffiths has spent all of his time down back so what is he forward or back. hes been so poor hes lucky hes on the list.

sheesh mcbean do i listen to the club? if so  hes the new long term #1 ruckman, we did draft him as a ruckman. if we didnt we had damn well better get off our arses and get some young rucks into our system oh what a shemozzle. besides  can we play both vickery and mcbean in the same role.  that is ruckmen come forwards probably neither great at either role.

elton bloody hell two yrs in  and alarm bells are sounding out loud. hes another they are destroying by playing down back.

astbury cmon please lets make up our minds about these blokes are they forwards or backs. hes been almost entirely developed down back and hes another on shaky ground.

maric is our ruckman atm the only decent one we have. we are not talking about ruckmen or ruck/forwards here but genuine forwards.

hampson is the other ruckman who will be asked to rest forward, see what i just wrte about maric.  if we judge him on his performances we would all be calling for his head with  out him even playing a game for us.

ohanlon is a medium sized flanker, nothing more nothing less.

a edwards is a medium sized third tall. he should be played as a medium.

nope i think i will stick with my assesment on this lot and call our GENUINE TALL FORWARD SITUATION DIRE. We may have the numbers if you include the talls who have been developed down back, riewoldt aside though  thats about all you can say.

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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2013, 12:33:22 AM »
Vickery is young for a player of his size. He is decent both as a forward and ruck man. I don't know where his future lies but suspect hell play both roles, perhaps not unlike David hale. You are obsessed pigion holing him as one or the other. The way the game is going there are few pure second forwards or pure full time ruck man. Need to do both. More so given the sub rule
Fair enough I'd you don't rate him as a footballer.

In regards to mcbean we did get a ruck man, hampson. Mcbean to me is a oversized talented half forward flanker

If we can play Vickery. Maric. Mcgaune in the same side why not Vickery. Maric. Mcbean in the same side?

cmon please lets make up our minds about these blokes are they forwards or backs - why? you have OCD? Bradshaw? Ben Reid?

Aaron Edwards plays tall. IMO he plays significantly taller than his actual height. I'm fairly sure his 100 vfl goals were out of the goal square. Hard wick played him as a direct replacement for mcgaune.

You are welcome to stick with your analysis. Yet the facts are our #1 forward is a young multi Coleman winner. High draft pick Vickery. Along with near leading vfl goal scorer mcbean.(in first year) with some depth. It may not be brown-lynch-bradshaw but 'dire' is fairly emo.
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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2013, 12:37:35 AM »
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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2013, 12:40:37 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2013, 12:49:47 AM »
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2013, 01:00:30 AM »
Vickery is young for a player of his size. He is decent both as a forward and ruck man. I don't know where his future lies but suspect hell play both roles, perhaps not unlike David hale. You are obsessed pigion holing him as one or the other. The way the game is going there are few pure second forwards or pure full time ruck man. Need to do both. More so given the sub rule
Fair enough I'd you don't rate him as a footballer.

In regards to mcbean we did get a ruck man, hampson. Mcbean to me is a oversized talented half forward flanker

If we can play Vickery. Maric. Mcgaune in the same side why not Vickery. Maric. Mcbean in the same side?
im not pidgeon holing him at all. but if vickery is a ruck/for wheres the genuine 2nd kpf.

hmm at hawthorn pure tall forwards franklin gunston and roughhead yes roughie is a pure forward hes also capable of pinch hitting in the ruck. but hey with hale whos the actual ruck/for and baily roughie isnt needed to play ruck too much.

hmm pods and hawkins.  with a resting ruckman/for. sydney sheesh how many tall forwards do you want me to name plus pyke and mumford.
wce have a look and tell me what they do.

you know what most if not all sides have two genuine kpfs and they utilise one if not both ruckmen some have a third tall plus ruckmen.

im not sure where you get this notion that most sides dont have two genuine tall forwards its the norm.

geez nm petrie tarrant black plus ruckmen. ess hurley ryder crameri and one of carlisle or gumbleton. do i really need to go on.

if vickery is a bloody ruck/for play him in the role but jeezus lets play with two kpfs as well.

tyour right i dont rate him hes pee weak but how i rate him has nothing to do with how i think we should structure up.

if vickery is now playing as a permanent key forward we should structure up with him riewoldt and hampson as the ruck/for. id love a jeremy howe type as well and would like a player like chappy and say lennon . forward lines arent getting shorter mate they are becoming huge.

finally vickery turns 24 in may. hes in yr 6 and he will push toward 100 games hes hardly what we would call a kid.yet the gap between his good and bad is a chasm.

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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2013, 01:19:10 AM »
#1 forward. Riewoldt
#2 forward. Vickery.  -  (Or Griffiths. Astbury. Elton.)
 # 3 forward. Mcbean. -  (Or Griffiths. Astbury. Elton)

#1. Ruck - maric
#2 ruck - hampson.

Looks at least structurally sound .If you wanna go bigger play all off riewoldt/Vickery/ mcbean/Griffiths/ + maric/hampson at the same time...Everyone is two meters tall outside of the short-ass Coleman medalist.

 While it'd be nice to have 23 year old pavlich, brown, carey , grant to compliment jack, it doesn't see realistic at this stage.

The club has spent high draft picks on key forwards. I don't see what else they can do but try and develop them and hope they come good.

We just drafted a medium forward that was best available. 18 / 189. Hopefully the size of Lennon. Martin. deledio. Can assist generally.

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Re: Richmond bolsters attack in national draft (Herald-Sun)
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2013, 01:31:17 AM »
Didn't claw say all through the year we lacked medium forwards except for Edwards but we never play him there. Now we have to many?