Forward Structure

[Penelope]

high humidity does not make for wet weather football or create a wet ball.

Is it quantum physics to understand that March Queensland weather involves higher humidity and dew % compared to dry Victorian conditions?
Thus making it closer to wet conditions than dry? Not to mention the higher amount of sweating = slippery pill. I apologise if that is difficult to understand, I assumed wrong.

But surely you can see having 3 KP forwards in March on the GC was a bad idea?

Keep Smiling Al.

nah, quantam phyics has nothing to do with weather conditions at all.

Yeah i do have trouble understanding when, I can tell you, from having played football in humid conditions, the ball was no where near as slippery as it gets on cool mild nights.

the only part of your guesswork that has some merit is that the ball can get little slippery after some time, from being handled by sweaty hands, but given in the afl the ball is often changed after behind or goal, i doubt this would be an issue.

your magical theory also doesnt explain how the GC were able to hold their marks and their tall forwards made our kpd look undersized

[SCHammo]

Leave Jack at home I think he was one out in the 50 3 times and we hit all 3 vickery can not I repeat can not be a key target he is to hot and cold more cold then anything... I feel Griffiths is only in the team till Ivan is back and then they will move hampson up forward with jack vickery CHF and have 3 little fellas around them....
believe dusty will go back there next game he may have had a lot of the ball but his kicks from the back half were short ones and then running by for the hand ball etc....
hay we have a wee off we couldn't have played any worse so all positiives

[froars]

Hardwick blames the forwards for this week, as we all do, but what did he do himself to try and get it happening.  Not a great deal from what I could see.  Lots of suggestions from the idiot box, but nothing from the coach's box.

[Smokey]

Is it quantum physics to understand that March Queensland weather involves higher humidity and dew % compared to dry Victorian conditions?
Thus making it closer to wet conditions than dry? Not to mention the higher amount of sweating = slippery pill. I apologise if that is difficult to understand, I assumed wrong.

Is it quantum physics to understand that conditions on the night were no different to conditions in Melb or Syd on Friday night (look at the recordings on the BOM site if you don't believe me) yet we would never have considered using them as an excuse/reason if we had played and lost at those venues?  No ice vests, no extra water carriers, no sun, no tangible difference to what they have been training and playing in for the past 4 months.  Fact is the time for excuses has gone - we rate ourselves as Top 4 material, we carry strong 'hurt' over from last year, we have enough games experience in our still youngish list, we know the game plan, we bang on about our new culture ad nauseum and if we had turned up with any sort of commitment to winning we would have beaten them without slipping over, without spilling marks and without needing to find invalid excuses for not winning.  Not defending, not chasing, not delivering, not leading, not getting in front, not backing up, not talking, not thinking - go digging in among those jewels and you'll find the reasons we lost.  Even discussing the conditions is in a small way trying to let the players escape full culpability for the real reasons they lost and what they must correct in a damn hurry if they hold any lofty ambitions about playing in finals this year.

[FooffooValve]

Jack should just be FF, never CHF. He at least knows how to lead.

Vickery was behind all night and got toweled. Should play half-forward flank IMO just nowhere near the goal square - waste of time kicking it to him there.

ATM looks to me like Griff knows better how to play KPF than Vickery.

Ditch Newman. Play King or Lloyd. King for pressure, Lloyd because I thought he showed plenty in the NAB.

And get Knights/Lennon in ASAP. Need a medium real bad.

I actually think Vickery was at his most dangerous in the square, and his worst further out. Chain him to a goal post so that the dangerous space is in front of him. When he's up the ground he plays from behind, hoping for the mids to find the space behind him - stupid.

Dimma should have had the nuts to sub out Riewoldt (doing absolutely NOTHING), move Vickery to the square and Griffiths out to CHF. It might not have worked on the night, but at least he would have made a statement - if you play like poo you'll be subbed off, no matter who you are.

[the claw]

high humidity does not make for wet weather football or create a wet ball.

Is it quantum physics to understand that March Queensland weather involves higher humidity and dew % compared to dry Victorian conditions?
Thus making it closer to wet conditions than dry? Not to mention the higher amount of sweating = slippery pill. I apologise if that is difficult to understand, I assumed wrong.

But surely you can see having 3 KP forwards in March on the GC was a bad idea?

Keep Smiling Al.

lets see sam day 196/103, charlie dixon 200/105, tom lynch 199/101.  the same sort of structure worked okay for gc.
keep on saying it there is nothing wrong with the way we structured up and intend to structure up.  fact is good sides maintain their structure no matter the conditions.
if we talk about the quality of our talls then perhaps we will get closer to what the problem is. most certainly out talls were poor it wont matter who we play if we get that sort of output and performance from them we will fail.

every single side plays two permanent kpfs. every single side also compliments them with a ruck/for or for/ruck  and that is a minimum.
we have numbers but do we have the quality within those numbers. not imo.

[YellowandBlackBlood]

high humidity does not make for wet weather football or create a wet ball.

Is it quantum physics to understand that March Queensland weather involves higher humidity and dew % compared to dry Victorian conditions?
Thus making it closer to wet conditions than dry? Not to mention the higher amount of sweating = slippery pill. I apologise if that is difficult to understand, I assumed wrong.

But surely you can see having 3 KP forwards in March on the GC was a bad idea?

Keep Smiling Al.

lets see sam day 196/103, charlie dixon 200/105, tom lynch 199/101.  the same sort of structure worked okay for gc.
keep on saying it there is nothing wrong with the way we structured up and intend to structure up.  fact is good sides maintain their structure no matter the conditions.
if we talk about the quality of our talls then perhaps we will get closer to what the problem is. most certainly out talls were poor it wont matter who we play if we get that sort of output and performance from them we will fail.

every single side plays two permanent kpfs. every single side also compliments them with a ruck/for or for/ruck  and that is a minimum.
we have numbers but do we have the quality within those numbers. not imo.

TBH I thought we lost because they wanted the ball more. They were prepared to run harder and for longer.  They went in harder.  All of these things meant they outnumbered us at most contests.
Their talls didn't exactly thrash our backs.  In fact it was Ablett, Swallow, Prestia and co that killed us.  Their willingness to run their guts out was too much for our team who were expecting a much easier match.

[Willy]

We need good small forwards. Real bad.
We need both forward pressure and a bit of X factor opportunism.
I agree with Claw re: structure. I think the balance of talls is fine. Problem is that most of them played like ass, as did our smalls who are slow to begin with.
Newman, Pettard, Foley out.
Jacko, King, Knights in.
Vickery thin ice.

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Fk Newman off
Dusty chases ball and rests up forward with cotch or lids. 
Slimmer jack at FF.
Edwards king for Cecelia Tyson on flank. Preferably on another ground.

Grriffiths on a wing.boomers or grass cutters.
Add a match day plan.

[one-eyed]

Astbury post-game interview ...

VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-03-16/round-1-astbury-post-match


 “They (the Suns) spat a few ‘mids’ out at stages and we got caught napping a few times.  That’s when they went coast-to-coast,” Astbury told ‘Roar Vision’ post-match.

“We’ve been susceptible to that sort of play in the past, so we really need to make sure we rectify that.

“We also need to make sure that we lower our eyes and give our forwards a better opportunity to take marks one-on-one . . . That’s something we’ll assess during the week.”

Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-17/tigers-to-learn-from-round-1-loss

[froars]

Dermie
https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/dermott-brereton-on-the-run-2

[WilliamPowell]

Dermie
https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/dermott-brereton-on-the-run-2

Reckon his comments about Tyrone are spot on

[froars]

Dermie
https://soundcloud.com/sen1116/dermott-brereton-on-the-run-2

Reckon his comments about Tyrone are spot on

Force your team mates to kick it to you by getting in the right position.    Prepare for the ball to come to you in the worst-case scenario.  Vickers leads thinking this is going to be put to advantage and if it’s not put to advantage, he’s terribly disadvantaged.   Little bit of Richo allowed to exist at the club, the emotional side.

[Judge Roughneck]

Are they instructed to

Dinky limb 15 kicks?

Kick forward pocket win throw in?

[Eat_em_Alive]

Edwards needs to be gifted games like Vickery and Jack seem to each week.  He will run around and provide options, even if he's not getting it, and not hide behind the point post all day waiting for it to come to him.  Until Jack starts leading better, I'd be working the team around Edwards.  If plan A doesn't work, go to plan B. If that doesn't work, go to plan C.  They just seemed to have no plan at all on the weekend.  The forward line just doesn't work well together and I blame the coaching for letting it get this far.

I cant argue with this
It is a problem that has not been addressed for some time now