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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2014, 08:14:54 PM »
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Bit of this and a bit of that.

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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2014, 08:21:40 PM »
Darren Hardwit refuses to adapt his approach.

He's made a plan and expects guys to adapt to his idealistic approach to modern footy.

Basically he's run out of ideas.
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2014, 08:34:13 PM »
Darren Hardwit refuses to adapt his approach.

He's made a plan and expects guys to adapt to his idealistic approach to modern footy.

Basically he's run out of ideas.
Isn't the job of a coach to have a clear plan for the players?  The same plan that got us into the finals last year?  First time since 2001?

The problem isn't the plan so much as the execution of it.  The players have been poor in executing it. 
Best example is the Bulldogs game.  At half time Dimma challenged the group and asked them if they wanted to throw out the plan they have been practicing since he got there or apply it properly.  The guys said the latter and came out and kicked 6 goals to 2 in the third and then last quarter. Sure we lost but that was from our poor first half.

NO plan works if nobody shows greater desire than the opposition, refuses to chase, tackle, block for your team mate, stand up for your team mate etc etc.

I can bet you Dimma doesn't tell his players not to do all those things.

So where I think Dimma is failing is MOTIVATING the playing group.  That is something that can change as he hasn't lost the group yet from what I hear.  Once he loses the group it's time for him to pack his bags but we are nowhere near that point yet.
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2014, 08:57:21 PM »
Name one club that wouldn't relish the opportunity to play Richmond.

Nine. Not even bottom ladder clubs.

Every club sees Richmond as a highly winnable game because of the soft mental breaking point of our players. Keep the pressure on them and they'll go into an insipid frenzy.
Maybe it's because they're second guessing the coach.
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2014, 09:00:46 PM »
Name one club that wouldn't relish the opportunity to play Richmond.

Nine. Not even bottom ladder clubs.

Every club sees Richmond as a highly winnable game because of the soft mental breaking point of our players. Keep the pressure on them and they'll go into an insipid frenzy.
Maybe it's because they're second guessing the coach.
I agree but that is more on the playing group than the coach.  They are a bunch of soft ****s!
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2014, 09:08:14 PM »
A good coach has a plan that evolves.

He doesn't.
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2014, 09:10:44 PM »
A good coach has a plan that evolves.

He doesn't.
Maybe he will be starting to realise that and will adjust accordingly.
I still can't see any game plan working without 100% effort from the players. 
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2014, 10:52:17 PM »
Chicken and egg really but it all starts with the coach conceiving a game plan that his players can execute to be successful. Dimma had that with the game plan he helped create at Hawthorn. Now Hawthorn still use this game plan extremely successfully. Why can't we? The more I think about it using that logic the more I would suggest that it is our players that are not following the plan successfully.

The real problem is is that our team has changed from last year through injuries. Injuries have effected our key play makers, our structure and our form. Couple this with the coaches experimenting with different combinations and I think that mucking around with the different ingredients has not produced a better recipe.

The coaches need to respond here to motivate the players, create counter plans and figure out exactly where the problems are and rectify them. Guesswork, indecision and finger pointing will accomplish nothing.

This is Dimma's most important moment in his career imo. Lets see how he and the players respond.  :juggle

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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2014, 11:06:13 PM »
Maybe cos he had FA to really do with it
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2014, 01:18:15 AM »
Maybe cos he had FA to really do with it

Don't get it mate?

He has everything to do with it if you ask me. Injuries look at how the better clubs cope with injuries

Not us though. We are now finding ourselves getting games into the kids, something we should have been doing slowly throughout the last year, instead of persisting with Newman, Edwards and co
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #25 on: April 14, 2014, 02:02:40 AM »
FA to do with Hawthorns game plan.....
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2014, 05:51:31 AM »
FA to do with Hawthorns game plan.....

Got it

Probably onto something too
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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2014, 11:40:10 AM »
I'm going to pin this on the players because I don't see the midfield unit running both ways. Other thing is we concede a lot of goals through basic skill errors and turnovers. Can't blame that on the coach if the players misfire a handball or kick it straight to the opposition.

It's never mutually exclusive but if I were to portion blame  I would go 80% players 20% coach.

I agree we do need a degree of a plan B but if you look at 2013 Freo and Hawthorn, they pretty much went in with just a plan A. The difference is that they are able to force their opponents to play under their terms through putting in 4 quarter efforts. We on the other hand have a tendency to either take the foot of the pedal or take 2 quarters to realise we are playing for premiership points. I blame the coach only for not pulling a Führer Malthouse and sending a player to the VFL for being poo. 

 


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Re: Whats the bigger issue at RFC? Playing group or Coaching group?
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2014, 11:56:28 AM »
Good post Lam
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