Richmond vs Hawthorn @ the M.C.G. - Round 6, 2014

[Judge Roughneck]

Rather than talk about the obvious I will say this.
Dimma has lost the plot. In 2012 we were the best contested side in the comp and used the corridor regularly with quick ball movement in 2013 we complemented this adding defensive 50 pressure and forward 50 pressure.
Why does Dimma want to forsake this and reinvent the wheel?
The team philosophy that has held firm for his first four years in nowhere now. This stop start static option footy has reminded me of the Spud tenure added with this corralling bs reminding me of the Wallet era.
For a minute there I thought that the Ponsford was still under construction and it was 2003 such was the brand of footy we were playing.
Why sacrifice the game of a 2 time Coleman Medallist to make a pea hearted footballer in Vickery the focus.
Why keep playing blokes like Grigg Edwards Chaplin Newman Houli  and such who have been abysmal. Our attack last year was launched from half back this year we have got nothing from Houli Newman or anyone.
Why make players do what is unnatural to them and get naturally attacking minded players and input a defensive mindset in them?
Houli squibbed it in front of me again in front of the Olympic in the second.
Titch, Petterd, Grigg I don't care how many times they get it, quantity will always loose out to quality no matter what.
This club is happy with 110% FTF and high membership bases with no on foeld return.
Port were 6 games worse off than us in 2012 yet the way things stand now they licked the Cats who in turn will annihilate us as they always seem to do next week.
The club is a constant annual failure who are lucky to have the supporter base they have. As much as a Cllingwood flag in September has a special mystique about it as their GF failures so are our annual failures given that even though last year may be regarded as a success being knocked out of the finals by a side that failed to qualify is a massive failure of sorts given we were also 5 goals plus up in the third quarter.
The apparent lack of cohesion, speed, constructiveness and ability to back up your team mate has totally devoid the side of any flair and continuity that served us so well especially in 2012/13 and for parts of 2011 when we realised that potentially we have a side that may play a sustainable brand of football that could take us well into September.

This club it seems is once again making the mistake of putting the cart before the horse and counting its membership base, profits and potential ucess rather than planning on sustainability. Dimma is coaching like a man who is bereft of any ideas and planning unnatural game plans for players who seem to be confused and bereft of inspiration themselves. We saw this with Frawley post 2001 when we made finals and despite any injury concerns to key players this should not be enough to set us back the way it has as 2003 we saw more of the same crap.

Dimma has really lost me after the Bulldogs game I was angry given how we lost and given where the two sides were on the table last year but that was the warning sign that now has turned into a full blooded DEFCOM 5 alert and we are really in danger and I aint talking about this year because I feel right now it is gone and given we have Geelong on the rebound next week but next year and 2016 the next two years of Dimma's tenure.

If it aint broke why fix it? Unless you want to be too smart and not play to your strengths.
I would rather isolate Jack and use Griff and have another tall third option by bringing Lennon into the side.
Vickery has lost me given his attitude. If Lids has an Achilles put him on the LTIL and promote Miles. Geez we need a small classy crumber who can play midfield we are so lacking in that area it aint funny. Has been for years since Naishy left for Port. Would retain Gordon and Lloyd as especially the former whilst making a blue at least presents and gut runs.
Arnot, McDonough, Griff, Astbury must play week in week out and when Dea is available play him too.

Would ratherlose with the kids than lose with the same footballers who give the same paltry output year in and year out. If Newman is a leader spend two years in the ressies and teach and nurture the kids. Add Houli, Titch, Grigg, Petterd just to name a few and add a few others like Chaplin, Hampson when Maric is fit as Griff on one leg is better than that spud of a footballer and we gave up pick 28 for this but hey Hawthorn give up pick 17 for McEvoy.

This season is salvageable and if it means playing the kids with a spine of senior players in the 80-150 core to guide us then so be it. Time for Cotch, Martin, Jack, and some lesser types like Ellis and Grimes and a few others to model themselves on Floss and see how he goes about it.

I could bear the floggings in 2010/11 because we were rebuilding from scratch given the retirements and the list degradation that set in by the time 2009 finished but our list is fast becoming if not already is the same failed list that tokenly made a finals series for the first time in a decade and if 2020 odd is the next time we make it because history is repeating and the same mistakes are being made  then everybody in the club should be ashamed of this.

How can Port do it and overtake us and Bulldogs start a rebuild 2 years after us yet bear fruit against us already whilst we claim we are finals bound and get an 11 goal flogging from the reigning premier whom we beat by 62 and 41 points the last two times we met. Mindset and garbage planning, list management, coaching agendas and personnel selection in the team 22 has negated any opportunity we have had to build on the last four years of significant on and off field productivity and improvement.

[Diocletian]

The '95 theses - to be coached and play like we haven't since '95.

[Golfprotiger]

The '95 theses - to be coached and play like we haven't since '95.

Bring back 'Swooper'

[YellowandBlackBlood]

The '95 theses - to be coached and play like we haven't since '95.

Bring back 'Swooper'

Where is the old dog these days?

[🏅Dooks]

Probably changing his poo bag as we speak

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Probably changing his poo bag as we speak

Even with an unchanged poo bag he would do a better job of geeing up the team….

[Hellenic Tiger]

Probably changing his poo bag as we speak

Even with an unchanged poo bag he would do a better job of geeing up the team….

He got Melbourne to five successive finals series including a GF.
Hang on he wanted an extra year at us after guiding us t the finals and we knocked him back.
Dimma on the other hand..................

[Tigeritis™©®]

Cotchin gets a lot of ball but doesn't hurt the opposition.

peey little kicks. Long ones are off target. Doesn't seem to run and carry the ball anymore.

Mate open your eyes if the other players would give him a chop out we might actually get somewhere

At this point in time he is the only leader of our club yet you want to point at his deficiencies with the likes of newy grigg and the handyman floating around

I feel for him having to share a shower with those commercial road limpgots

[cub]

I really had no expectations other than just having a go, didnt happen.
Heartless soulless effort

[cub]

Forget Geelong the big meltdown will be Melbourne the following week, we are the worst team in the comp!

[Diocletian]

Forget Geelong the big meltdown will be Melbourne the following week, we are the worst team in the comp!

Roos is counting the days.....


....Cameron probably is too.......

[Tigeritis™©®]

How can Port do it and overtake us and Bulldogs start a rebuild 2 years after us yet bear fruit against us already whilst we claim we are finals bound and get an 11 goal flogging from the reigning premier whom we beat by 62 and 41 points the last two times we met. Mindset and garbage planning, list management, coaching agendas and personnel selection in the team 22 has negated any opportunity we have had to build on the last four years of significant on and off field productivity and improvement.

First of all your post is the best post I've read and I'm sure most of us will agree with you except for the Apologists for mediocrity and pansy footy.

It's called culture mate.
Many will say Port weren't as bad a position we were in and that might be true but it is an easy excuse for the apologists.
Port has the third youngest list.
The difference is that when Hinkley arrived he told the boys they were miles behind the top clubs so he told them they have to be better, aim higher, train harder, work longer, than all the top clubs. Even without superstars they are competitive week in week out.

We have the poo culture. We have a soft culture. We have a loser culture. We have a prima Donna culture. We have a mediocre culture etc. etc.
its a culture that swells the head. How many times have we all seen it???

It's Dimma's fault. He sold us lies when he arrived and hasn't stuck by his word.
He also said he knew what it took to make a successful team but its Richmond your at and unless you fix the culture issues they will always return and bite you on the arse.

I really thought he was the one but after last years finals debacle he has proved a failure and we need someone else that can come in and fix the culture first & build a finals team.

[Diocletian]

Why we never ever revert to one-on-one when we're getting overrun is beyond me. It's football basics and the default setting of most sides ffs. You don't even really need to teach it to the players - they all would've done it as kids and it's not that hard to just find an opponent and stand next to them and follow them around. The opposition does all the positioning for you.

A team with our poor skills & lack of pace maintaining the zone against a team like Hawthorn in red hot form is just courting disaster. A zone defence only accomodates their style in that situation. The 2012 & 2013 results against them were clearly nothing more than statistical anomolies.

[Lozza]

Why we never ever revert to one-on-one when we're getting overrun is beyond me. It's football basics and the default setting of most sides ffs. You don't even really need to teach it to the players - they all would've done it as kids and it's not that hard to just find an opponent and stand next to them and follow them around. The opposition does all the positioning for you.

A team with our poor skills & lack of pace maintaining the zone against a team like Hawthorn in red hot form is just courting disaster. A zone defence only accomodates their style in that situation. The 2012 & 2013 results against them were clearly nothing more than statistical anomolies.

sounds a simple solution but the sad truth is that in most one on one contests our players are clearly inferior in the important areas of speed, agility, guts, determination and accountability. We rely on other teams being off their game rather than winning because we produce a team effort. As soon as the going gets tough its clock off time I am going home. No players appear to get dropped for this attitude so hence it persists and hence the poor culture that riddles the club like a cancer continues to thrive.

[Eat_em_Alive]

^ lozzas's right there, that's why melbourne and even a gws can hang in the game against us until the siren. Nan on man were pathetic